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Second pass at: Food noise reducing and the disorientation that can follow

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m.haddadTL2Regular21 Sep 2024#1

Second pass at: Food noise reducing and the disorientation that can follow — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable.

Asking about a population rather than about a person.

The published trials in this class mostly enrolled a fairly specific group, and the questions here frequently come from people well outside it. I would like to understand what the honest position is when someone falls outside the studied population: not "it is fine" and not "there is no data", but what the reasoning actually looks like.

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h.amankwahTL2 Moderator22 Sep 2024#2

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation. Appetite suppression might trigger relapse. Specialist input is prudent.

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cannula_driftTL3Regular23 Sep 2024#3

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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l.dialloTL2 Moderator24 Sep 2024#4

post #2 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Support and community: some people process weight change through community (online or in-person). Others prefer privacy. Knowing what you need and seeking it proactively helps.

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b.demirTL2 Moderator25 Sep 2024#5
cannula_drift, post #3: Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

I read post #3 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Substance use: if someone has a history of substance use, appetite suppression and weight loss can shift thinking about body and substance use. This is a risk factor worth acknowledging.

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a.lindholmTL2 Moderator26 Sep 2024#6
cannula_drift, post #3: Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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c.delgadoTL2 Moderator27 Sep 2024#7

Motivation and expectation: starting with clear motivation and realistic expectations about what will happen and when helps with psychological adjustment.

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b.vestergaardTL2 Moderator28 Sep 2024#8

Identity and self-image: for some people, weight and body size are central to identity. Large change to body size can affect identity. This is not pathological; it is human.

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k.dahlbergTL2 Moderator29 Sep 2024 · edited#9

Coming back to post #7, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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a.reyesTL4 Admin30 Sep 2024#10
a.lindholm, post #6: Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up. Go to post
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Picking up post #7: that is the part I would want checked first.

Body image and weight loss: large weight loss changes a person's relationship with their body in ways that can be psychologically complex. Some of that is positive; some might involve adjustment or processing.

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citation_indexTL2Member1 Oct 2024#11
m.haddad, post #1: Second pass at: Food noise reducing and the disorientation that can follow — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Asking about a population rather than about a person. The published trials in this class mostly enrolled a fairly specific group, and the questions here frequently come from people well outside… Go to post

Picking up post #8: that is the part I would want checked first.

Social and relationship impacts: weight change affects how others perceive and interact with a person. Those impacts are real and can be psychologically significant.

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m.oyelaranTL2 Moderator1 Oct 2024#12

Coming back to post #10, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Sleep and mental health: these compounds can affect sleep for some people. Sleep deprivation worsens mood and anxiety. Addressing sleep separately from mood matters.

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BirkelandTL3Regular2 Oct 2024#13

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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a.kravchenkoTL2 Moderator3 Oct 2024#14
citation_index, post #11: Picking up post #8: that is the part I would want checked first. Social and relationship impacts: weight change affects how others perceive and interact with a person. Those impacts are real and can be psychologically significant. Go to post

Mood and anxiety: mood changes and anxiety are reported by some people. Baseline mental health status matters for risk. Someone with a history of depression should plan closer monitoring.

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cannula_traceTL3Regular4 Oct 2024#15
h.amankwah, post #2: Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation. Appetite suppression might trigger relapse. Specialist input is prudent. Go to post

This follows post #12 rather than contradicting it.

Support and community: some people process weight change through community (online or in-person). Others prefer privacy. Knowing what you need and seeking it proactively helps.

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v.rautioTL2 Moderator4 Oct 2024 · edited#16

Mood and anxiety: mood changes and anxiety are reported by some people. Baseline mental health status matters for risk. Someone with a history of depression should plan closer monitoring.

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outline_firstTL3Wiki editor5 Oct 2024#17

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation. Appetite suppression might trigger relapse. Specialist input is prudent.

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g.amankwahTL2 Moderator6 Oct 2024#18

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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MJayawardenaTL3Regular6 Oct 2024#19

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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s.oyelaranTL2 Moderator7 Oct 2024#20

Motivation and expectation: starting with clear motivation and realistic expectations about what will happen and when helps with psychological adjustment.

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blank_injectionTL2Analytical chemist8 Oct 2024#21

When to involve a professional: if mood changes are persistent, deepen over weeks, or interfere with function, involving a mental health professional is appropriate. These are not trivialities to ignore.

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h.iyerTL2 Moderator8 Oct 2024#22
h.amankwah, post #2: Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation. Appetite suppression might trigger relapse. Specialist input is prudent. Go to post

Body image and weight loss: large weight loss changes a person's relationship with their body in ways that can be psychologically complex. Some of that is positive; some might involve adjustment or processing.

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p.iyer_pharmdTL3Pharmacist9 Oct 2024#23
MJayawardena, post #19: I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological. The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient. Go to post

On post #19 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Social and relationship impacts: weight change affects how others perceive and interact with a person. Those impacts are real and can be psychologically significant.

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n.okwuosaTL2 Moderator10 Oct 2024 · edited#24

post #23 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Identity and self-image: for some people, weight and body size are central to identity. Large change to body size can affect identity. This is not pathological; it is human.

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q.zhao_qaTL310 Oct 2024#25
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e.steinerTL2 Moderator11 Oct 2024#26
l.diallo, post #4: post #2 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Support and community: some people process weight change through community (online or in-person). Others prefer privacy. Knowing what you need and seeking it proactively helps. Go to post

Substance use: if someone has a history of substance use, appetite suppression and weight loss can shift thinking about body and substance use. This is a risk factor worth acknowledging.

1 like in reply to #4 22mo
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forest_plotTL3Evidence synthesis12 Oct 2024#27
q.zhao_qa, post #25: Sleep and mental health: these compounds can affect sleep for some people. Sleep deprivation worsens mood and anxiety. Addressing sleep separately from mood matters. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #23 runs together.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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n.villalobosTL2 Moderator12 Oct 2024#28

Sleep and mental health: these compounds can affect sleep for some people. Sleep deprivation worsens mood and anxiety. Addressing sleep separately from mood matters.

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p.novotnyTL2Regular13 Oct 2024 · edited#29
a.kravchenko, post #14: Mood and anxiety: mood changes and anxiety are reported by some people. Baseline mental health status matters for risk. Someone with a history of depression should plan closer monitoring. Go to post

Coming back to post #27, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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z.cardosoTL2 Moderator14 Oct 2024#30
b.vestergaard, post #8: Identity and self-image: for some people, weight and body size are central to identity. Large change to body size can affect identity. This is not pathological; it is human. Go to post

Picking up post #27: that is the part I would want checked first.

Body image and weight loss: large weight loss changes a person's relationship with their body in ways that can be psychologically complex. Some of that is positive; some might involve adjustment or processing.

31 likes in reply to #8 21mo