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Building a sensible monitoring schedule with your prescriber posts 61–90

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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y.adebayoTL2 Moderator21 Dec 2024#61

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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ms_hollowayTL4Mass spectrometrist21 Dec 2024#62

Picking up post #59: that is the part I would want checked first.

Fasting state: some lab tests require fasting; others do not. Lipids on a fasting draw differ from lipids on a fed draw. Always note whether the test was fasting when comparing results.

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n.silvaTL2 Moderator21 Dec 2024#63

A single value outside interval: usually uninformative on a single draw. What makes a result interesting: a trend across multiple draws, a magnitude well beyond the interval, a pattern that coheres with other values, or symptoms that fit.

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s.leclercTL4 Moderator21 Dec 2024#64
c.boateng, post #36: Worth separating two things that post #32 runs together. TSH and free hormones: TSH is a reasonable screening test but does not tell you about actual free hormone levels. If TSH is abnormal, free thyroid hormones confirm whether there is a real thyroid problem. Go to post
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Analytical imprecision: any measurement has an error margin. A small difference in consecutive tests is usually measurement noise, not a real change. Knowing the imprecision helps distinguish noise from signal.

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TL4_HalvorsenTL4Leader · Journal club21 Dec 2024#66

This follows post #63 rather than contradicting it.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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ch.correiaTL2 Moderator21 Dec 2024#67

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

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dr.villanuevaTL3Physician21 Dec 2024#68

Liver enzymes: elevation does not specify cause. ALT and AST can rise from many things. Bilirubin helps narrow down the cause. Multiple markers together are more informative than one alone.

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j.bhattacharyaTL2 Moderator21 Dec 2024#69
Ridgeway, post #2: I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological. The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient. Go to post

HbA1c and glucose: HbA1c reflects average glucose over months; a spot glucose measurement reflects the moment. Trending glucose downward while HbA1c stays flat is a different picture than glucose going up with HbA1c.

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s.chowdhuryTL3Regular21 Dec 2024 · edited#70

Lipid panel interpretation: total, LDL, HDL, triglycerides all on one panel. Reading them together is more informative than reading one value in isolation. An elevated triglyceride with low HDL is different from triglyceride elevation alone.

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a.reyesTL421 Dec 2024#71
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k.dahlbergTL2 Moderator21 Dec 2024#72
excursion_check, post #42: post #41 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological. The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this,… Go to post

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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owen.bradyTL4 Moderator21 Dec 2024#73

Fasting state: some lab tests require fasting; others do not. Lipids on a fasting draw differ from lipids on a fed draw. Always note whether the test was fasting when comparing results.

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r.serranoTL2 Moderator21 Dec 2024#74

I read post #72 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Analytical imprecision: any measurement has an error margin. A small difference in consecutive tests is usually measurement noise, not a real change. Knowing the imprecision helps distinguish noise from signal.

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ms_hollowayTL4Mass spectrometrist21 Dec 2024#75
mira.patel, post #35: Liver enzymes: elevation does not specify cause. ALT and AST can rise from many things. Bilirubin helps narrow down the cause. Multiple markers together are more informative than one alone. Go to post

Renal function markers: eGFR is estimated, not measured. It depends on creatinine, age, and weight. A small change in creatinine might not mean a real change in kidney function.

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j.erdoganTL2 Moderator21 Dec 2024#76

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

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dr.villanuevaTL3Physician21 Dec 2024 · edited#77

Picking up post #74: that is the part I would want checked first.

TSH and free hormones: TSH is a reasonable screening test but does not tell you about actual free hormone levels. If TSH is abnormal, free thyroid hormones confirm whether there is a real thyroid problem.

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s.grimaldiTL2 Moderator22 Dec 2024#78

Coming back to post #76, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Reference intervals: constructed to contain the central 95% of a reference population, which means one in twenty healthy people falls outside one by definition. Add biological variation and analytical imprecision and the base rate of a meaningless flag is substantial.

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sourced_claimsTL3Regular22 Dec 2024#79
journalclub_wren, post #12: I read post #10 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Renal function markers: eGFR is estimated, not measured. It depends on creatinine, age, and weight. A small change in creatinine might not mean a real change in kidney function. Go to post

A single value outside interval: usually uninformative on a single draw. What makes a result interesting: a trend across multiple draws, a magnitude well beyond the interval, a pattern that coheres with other values, or symptoms that fit.

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ro.zielinskiTL222 Dec 2024#80
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ms_hollowayTL4Mass spectrometrist22 Dec 2024#81

Worth separating two things that post #77 runs together.

Fasting state: some lab tests require fasting; others do not. Lipids on a fasting draw differ from lipids on a fed draw. Always note whether the test was fasting when comparing results.

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m.ibarraTL2 Moderator22 Dec 2024#82

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

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endo_fellow_rkTL3Endocrinology fellow22 Dec 2024 · edited#83
mira.patel, post #35: Liver enzymes: elevation does not specify cause. ALT and AST can rise from many things. Bilirubin helps narrow down the cause. Multiple markers together are more informative than one alone. Go to post

HbA1c and glucose: HbA1c reflects average glucose over months; a spot glucose measurement reflects the moment. Trending glucose downward while HbA1c stays flat is a different picture than glucose going up with HbA1c.

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y.adebayoTL2 Moderator22 Dec 2024#84
n.cabrera, post #17: post #16 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. TSH and free hormones: TSH is a reasonable screening test but does not tell you about actual free hormone levels. If TSH is abnormal, free thyroid hormones confirm whether there is a real thyroid problem. Go to post

Lipid panel interpretation: total, LDL, HDL, triglycerides all on one panel. Reading them together is more informative than reading one value in isolation. An elevated triglyceride with low HDL is different from triglyceride elevation alone.

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a.reyesTL4 Admin22 Dec 2024#85

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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j.steinerTL2 Moderator22 Dec 2024#86

A single value outside interval: usually uninformative on a single draw. What makes a result interesting: a trend across multiple draws, a magnitude well beyond the interval, a pattern that coheres with other values, or symptoms that fit.

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s.leclercTL4 Moderator22 Dec 2024#87
PSkarbek, post #46: Liver enzymes: elevation does not specify cause. ALT and AST can rise from many things. Bilirubin helps narrow down the cause. Multiple markers together are more informative than one alone. Go to post
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Biological variation: the person-to-person variation in a biomarker for a healthy person is larger than most people realize. Comparing your result to the reference interval is one thing; comparing your result today to your result from months ago is more sensitive to change.

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l.salinasTL2 Moderator22 Dec 2024#88

Picking up post #85: that is the part I would want checked first.

Analytical imprecision: any measurement has an error margin. A small difference in consecutive tests is usually measurement noise, not a real change. Knowing the imprecision helps distinguish noise from signal.

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b.solbergTL2 Moderator22 Dec 2024#89

Renal function markers: eGFR is estimated, not measured. It depends on creatinine, age, and weight. A small change in creatinine might not mean a real change in kidney function.

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m.coelhoTL2 Moderator22 Dec 2024 · edited#90

post #89 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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