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A revision dispute resolved on the topic rather than in the history — a second dataset

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forest_plotTL3Evidence synthesis1 Oct 2024#1

On the subject in the title: A revision dispute resolved on the topic rather than in the history — a second dataset Working notes rather than a conclusion.

Process question about how this site works.

I have read the guidelines and the trust-level page and I still have a question about the mechanism rather than the rule. Specifically, I would like to understand the reasoning behind it, because I suspect the reasoning is better than the rule sounds.

Not a complaint. If the answer is "because of a failure mode you have not seen yet", I would like to hear about the failure mode.

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in.guerreroTL2 Moderator Solution4 Oct 2024 · edited#2

Maintainer handovers: if a page's maintainer is inactive and needs a new one, discussing that here can facilitate the transition.

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RidgewayTL3Regular6 Oct 2024#3
in.guerrero, post #2: Maintainer handovers: if a page's maintainer is inactive and needs a new one, discussing that here can facilitate the transition. Go to post

post #2 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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i.dumitruTL2 Moderator7 Oct 2024#4

Redundancy: if two maintained pages cover largely the same ground, consolidation might improve clarity. Pointing out redundancy helps maintainers see the issue.

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l.aaltonenTL3Regular9 Oct 2024#5

Cross-referencing: if two pages should reference each other but do not, suggesting the cross-reference helps the maintainer see the connection.

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j.castellanosTL2 Moderator11 Oct 2024#6
Ridgeway, post #3: post #2 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up. Go to post

Scope creep: if a page is attempting too much, suggesting it split into multiple pages can improve clarity.

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h.nicolaidesTL3Regular12 Oct 2024#7

post #6 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

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ca.vermeulenTL2 Moderator14 Oct 2024#8

On post #4 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Evidence synthesis: if you think a page should cover recent evidence or a new development, suggesting specific content helps the maintainer prioritise updates.

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e.kuuselaTL2 Moderator15 Oct 2024#9

This follows post #6 rather than contradicting it.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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chromatogramTL4Analytical chemist16 Oct 2024#10

I read post #8 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

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KLindqvistTL4 Moderator18 Oct 2024#11
Staff post. Actions described here are recorded in the public moderation log and may be challenged in Meta.

Review dates: each maintained page has a review date (the date by which it should be checked). If a page is past its review date, flagging it here alerts the maintainer.

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a.ibarraTL2 Moderator19 Oct 2024#12

Revision disputes: if you disagree with an edit a maintainer made, discussing it here invites resolution rather than conflict.

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d.oyelaranTL3Pharmacist20 Oct 2024#13

Maintainer handovers: if a page's maintainer is inactive and needs a new one, discussing that here can facilitate the transition.

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c.tullochTL2 Moderator21 Oct 2024#14
i.dumitru, post #4: Redundancy: if two maintained pages cover largely the same ground, consolidation might improve clarity. Pointing out redundancy helps maintainers see the issue. Go to post

This follows post #11 rather than contradicting it.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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v.szaboTL3Analytical chemist23 Oct 2024 · edited#15

Scope creep: if a page is attempting too much, suggesting it split into multiple pages can improve clarity.

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h.vargaTL2 Moderator24 Oct 2024#16

Cross-referencing: if two pages should reference each other but do not, suggesting the cross-reference helps the maintainer see the connection.

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physio_marchettiTL2Physiotherapist25 Oct 2024#17

Coming back to post #15, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Evidence synthesis: if you think a page should cover recent evidence or a new development, suggesting specific content helps the maintainer prioritise updates.

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n.oseiTL2 Moderator26 Oct 2024#18
j.castellanos, post #6: Scope creep: if a page is attempting too much, suggesting it split into multiple pages can improve clarity. Go to post

Picking up post #15: that is the part I would want checked first.

Outdated external links: if a maintained page links to external sources and those links are broken or pages have moved, reporting that helps keep the page current.

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e.kimaniTL2 Moderator27 Oct 2024#19
i.dumitru, post #4: Redundancy: if two maintained pages cover largely the same ground, consolidation might improve clarity. Pointing out redundancy helps maintainers see the issue. Go to post

Revision disputes: if you disagree with an edit a maintainer made, discussing it here invites resolution rather than conflict.

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KnowltonTL3Regular29 Oct 2024#20

post #19 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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n.nybergTL2 Moderator30 Oct 2024 · edited#21
forest_plot, post #1: On the subject in the title: A revision dispute resolved on the topic rather than in the history — a second dataset Working notes rather than a conclusion. Process question about how this site works. I have read the guidelines and the trust-level page and I still have a question about the mechanism rather than the rule. Specifically, I… Go to post

Authority: if you think a page needs input from someone with specific expertise, suggesting that person helps the maintainer recruit contributors.

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t.pereiraTL2 Moderator31 Oct 2024#22

On post #18 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Review dates: each maintained page has a review date (the date by which it should be checked). If a page is past its review date, flagging it here alerts the maintainer.

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f.villalobosTL2 Moderator1 Nov 2024#23

Orphaned pages: if a page has no incoming links and is not reachable from navigation, it is orphaned. Such pages should either be linked or deprecated.

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c.grimaldiTL2 Moderator2 Nov 2024#24
physio_marchetti, post #17: Coming back to post #15, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Evidence synthesis: if you think a page should cover recent evidence or a new development, suggesting specific content helps the maintainer prioritise updates. Go to post

Redundancy: if two maintained pages cover largely the same ground, consolidation might improve clarity. Pointing out redundancy helps maintainers see the issue.

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dr_okonkwoTL4 Moderator3 Nov 2024#25
f.villalobos, post #23: Orphaned pages: if a page has no incoming links and is not reachable from navigation, it is orphaned. Such pages should either be linked or deprecated. Go to post
Staff post. Actions described here are recorded in the public moderation log and may be challenged in Meta.

Revision disputes: if you disagree with an edit a maintainer made, discussing it here invites resolution rather than conflict.

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j.fonsecaTL2 Moderator4 Nov 2024#26

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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PharmNotes_WhitfieldTL4Pharmacist5 Nov 2024#27

This follows post #24 rather than contradicting it.

Cross-referencing: if two pages should reference each other but do not, suggesting the cross-reference helps the maintainer see the connection.

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n.kuuselaTL2 Moderator6 Nov 2024#28

Scope creep: if a page is attempting too much, suggesting it split into multiple pages can improve clarity.

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orbitrap_olaTL3Mass spectrometrist7 Nov 2024#29
c.grimaldi, post #24: Redundancy: if two maintained pages cover largely the same ground, consolidation might improve clarity. Pointing out redundancy helps maintainers see the issue. Go to post

post #28 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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p.mwangiTL2 Moderator8 Nov 2024#30
in.guerrero, post #2: Maintainer handovers: if a page's maintainer is inactive and needs a new one, discussing that here can facilitate the transition. Go to post

Evidence synthesis: if you think a page should cover recent evidence or a new development, suggesting specific content helps the maintainer prioritise updates.

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