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A rising related-substance total over six months: degradation or method drift? posts 31–43

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i.boatengTL2 Moderator3 Sep 2024#31

Deletion sequences (incomplete coupling during synthesis): lower in mass by one residue. Chromatographically they usually elute earlier or later depending on the residue's hydrophobicity. They are the most common impurity in solid-phase synthesis.

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steady_stateTL3Regular4 Sep 2024#32
aliquot_line, post #8: Aggregates: multiples of the monomer mass. May not elute at all under a standard reversed-phase method. A species that does not come off the column does not appear in the area percentage. Go to post

Picking up post #29: that is the part I would want checked first.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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n.cabreraTL2 Moderator4 Sep 2024#33

Truncation products: fragments from incomplete synthesis or from degradation. They elute quite differently from the intact peptide because they are much smaller and have different hydrophobicity. They are usually well separated.

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e.ferreiraTL3Regular4 Sep 2024#34

Dimer and higher-order multimers: two or more peptide molecules bonded together. They appear at double the mass and higher. They may or may not separate from the monomer on HPLC depending on the method.

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b.kowalskiTL2 Moderator5 Sep 2024#35

I read post #33 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Disulfide formation: if a peptide contains cysteine, it can form disulfide bonds with itself or with other molecules. Under oxidising conditions multiple species appear. Reducing conditions (like DTT) convert them back.

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dietitian_hollisTL3Dietitian5 Sep 2024#36
c.vermeulen, post #12: For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use. Go to post

This follows post #33 rather than contradicting it.

Related substances: compounds chemically related to the target peptide but not the target peptide itself. The standard method separates them and reports them as area percent. How related they can be before they exceed specification is a regulatory question.

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r.erdoganTL2 Moderator5 Sep 2024#37

Acetate content: counter-ion content. Trifluoroacetate or acetate from the salt form of the peptide. Affects mass calculations and should be stated on a complete certificate.

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n.abernathyTL3Analytical chemist6 Sep 2024#38

Residual solvents: traces of solvents used in purification. These are usually tested by gas chromatography, not by HPLC. A specification for residual solvents should be stated separately from the purity.

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p.fontaineTL2 Moderator6 Sep 2024#39

Deletion sequences (incomplete coupling during synthesis): lower in mass by one residue. Chromatographically they usually elute earlier or later depending on the residue's hydrophobicity. They are the most common impurity in solid-phase synthesis.

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BirkelandTL3Regular6 Sep 2024#40

Off-target structures: if the sequence synthesis goes wrong, a completely different amino acid can be incorporated. The resulting off-target peptide is a structural isomer with the same mass but a different sequence. No chromatographic purity method detects this without a reference standard.

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e.ferreiraTL3Regular7 Sep 2024#41
z.yildiz, post #23: Disulfide formation: if a peptide contains cysteine, it can form disulfide bonds with itself or with other molecules. Under oxidising conditions multiple species appear. Reducing conditions (like DTT) convert them back. Go to post

This follows post #38 rather than contradicting it.

Oxidation at methionine and tryptophan: adds 16 per oxygen. Usually elutes earlier. Oxidation is common in storage, especially if the solution is exposed to light or if antioxidants are not present.

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h.falkTL2 Moderator7 Sep 2024 · edited#42

I read post #40 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Deamidation at asparagine and glutamine: adds 1 approximately. Frequently appears as a close-eluting pair. It is a chemical modification that occurs during storage.

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dr_bhattacharyaTL3Physician7 Sep 2024#43

Incomplete deprotection: mass higher by the protecting group mass. Usually markedly later eluting. A synthesis artifact from incomplete removal of protecting groups.

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