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Athletes in weight-category sports: a different risk calculus — a second dataset

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n.nybergTL2 Moderator21 Oct 2024#1

On the subject in the title: Athletes in weight-category sports: a different risk calculus — a second dataset Working notes rather than a conclusion.

General question, not a request for advice about my own care — I know the difference and I would rather be told to see my prescriber than get an answer that pretends otherwise.

I have a panel in front of me with one value outside the reference interval and everything else within it. My instinct is that a single out-of-range result on a single draw is close to uninformative, and I would like to understand how the people who read these professionally think about that.

What I am actually asking is how to tell an interesting result from an uninteresting one before booking an appointment about it.

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r.friskTL2 Moderator24 Oct 2024#2

Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists.

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k.kimaniTL2 Moderator26 Oct 2024#3

post #2 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Pancreatitis history: the compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. A history of pancreatitis makes monitoring for recurrence more important during titration.

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f.fenwickTL3Regular28 Oct 2024#4
n.nyberg, post #1: On the subject in the title: Athletes in weight-category sports: a different risk calculus — a second dataset Working notes rather than a conclusion. General question, not a request for advice about my own care — I know the difference and I would rather be told to see my prescriber than get an answer that pretends otherwise. I have a… Go to post

Older adults: sarcopenia risk is higher, polypharmacy is common, and the clinical trials did not enroll many people over 75. Extrapolating to very old people is extrapolating beyond the data.

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s.hartmannTL2 Moderator29 Oct 2024#5

Renal impairment: the compounds are cleared renally to some degree. Dose adjustments might be needed in severe renal impairment. Consulting with a clinician familiar with renal dosing is prudent.

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KForsbergTL2Member31 Oct 2024#6

I read post #4 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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o.nybergTL2 Moderator1 Nov 2024 · edited#7

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input.

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m.wanjalaTL1Member3 Nov 2024#8
r.frisk, post #2: Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists. Go to post

Hypoglycemia risk: in people already on insulin or sulfonylureas, adding a GLP-1 agonist requires insulin dose reduction and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. This is manageable with attention.

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s.radichTL2 Moderator4 Nov 2024#9
r.frisk, post #2: Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists. Go to post

Picking up post #6: that is the part I would want checked first.

Medullary thyroid carcinoma history: an absolute contraindication because of the preclinical findings in rodent toxicology. The history (personal or family, especially multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2) is an important screening question.

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MakinenTL2Member6 Nov 2024#10

Coming back to post #8, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Pregnancy and planning: these compounds are not approved for use in pregnancy. Planning windows (how long to wait before attempting pregnancy) are not formally established. Conservative approaches wait several months to allow clearance.

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j.nwosuTL2 Moderator7 Nov 2024 · edited#11
KForsberg, post #6: I read post #4 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

On post #7 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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n.haddadTL2 Moderator9 Nov 2024#13

Hepatic impairment: less is known about dosing in significant liver disease than in kidney disease. Extreme caution applies because the liver metabolises a large fraction of many medications.

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n.stanescuTL2 Moderator11 Nov 2024#14

Renal impairment: the compounds are cleared renally to some degree. Dose adjustments might be needed in severe renal impairment. Consulting with a clinician familiar with renal dosing is prudent.

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j.teixeiraTL2 Moderator12 Nov 2024#15
o.nyberg, post #7: Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input. Go to post

Hypoglycemia risk: in people already on insulin or sulfonylureas, adding a GLP-1 agonist requires insulin dose reduction and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. This is manageable with attention.

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GDashwoodTL3Regular13 Nov 2024#16

post #15 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input.

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s.cardosoTL2 Moderator14 Nov 2024#17

I read post #15 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists.

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g.ibarraTL2 Moderator15 Nov 2024#18

Medullary thyroid carcinoma history: an absolute contraindication because of the preclinical findings in rodent toxicology. The history (personal or family, especially multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2) is an important screening question.

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integrator_draftTL3Regular18 Nov 2024#20

Pancreatitis history: the compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. A history of pancreatitis makes monitoring for recurrence more important during titration.

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n.vogelTL2 Moderator19 Nov 2024#21
s.radich, post #9: Picking up post #6: that is the part I would want checked first. Medullary thyroid carcinoma history: an absolute contraindication because of the preclinical findings in rodent toxicology. The history (personal or family, especially multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2) is an important screening question. Go to post

post #20 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Hepatic impairment: less is known about dosing in significant liver disease than in kidney disease. Extreme caution applies because the liver metabolises a large fraction of many medications.

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m.ivaturiTL2 Moderator20 Nov 2024#22
n.stanescu, post #14: Renal impairment: the compounds are cleared renally to some degree. Dose adjustments might be needed in severe renal impairment. Consulting with a clinician familiar with renal dosing is prudent. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #18 runs together.

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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d.barrosTL2 Moderator21 Nov 2024#23

Pregnancy and planning: these compounds are not approved for use in pregnancy. Planning windows (how long to wait before attempting pregnancy) are not formally established. Conservative approaches wait several months to allow clearance.

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h.karlsenTL2 Moderator22 Nov 2024#24

Adolescents: a distinct evidence base exists. The compounds are not approved for routine adolescent obesity but are being studied. Adolescent physiology and psychology differ from adults' in ways that matter for this medication class.

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c.niemelTL3Regular24 Nov 2024#26

Older adults: sarcopenia risk is higher, polypharmacy is common, and the clinical trials did not enroll many people over 75. Extrapolating to very old people is extrapolating beyond the data.

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s.ferreiraTL2 Moderator25 Nov 2024#27

Pregnancy and planning: these compounds are not approved for use in pregnancy. Planning windows (how long to wait before attempting pregnancy) are not formally established. Conservative approaches wait several months to allow clearance.

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o.cousineauTL3Regular26 Nov 2024 · edited#28

Coming back to post #26, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Adolescents: a distinct evidence base exists. The compounds are not approved for routine adolescent obesity but are being studied. Adolescent physiology and psychology differ from adults' in ways that matter for this medication class.

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t.vasquezTL4 Moderator27 Nov 2024#29

Renal impairment: the compounds are cleared renally to some degree. Dose adjustments might be needed in severe renal impairment. Consulting with a clinician familiar with renal dosing is prudent.

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j.asanteTL2 Moderator28 Nov 2024#30
n.haddad, post #13: Hepatic impairment: less is known about dosing in significant liver disease than in kidney disease. Extreme caution applies because the liver metabolises a large fraction of many medications. Go to post

Hepatic impairment: less is known about dosing in significant liver disease than in kidney disease. Extreme caution applies because the liver metabolises a large fraction of many medications.

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