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Coming back to: Renal impairment: what the labelling says about dose

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np_gilmoreTL3Nurse practitioner21 Aug 2024#1

Renal impairment: what the labelling says about dose — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable.

Asking about a population rather than about a person.

The published trials in this class mostly enrolled a fairly specific group, and the questions here frequently come from people well outside it. I would like to understand what the honest position is when someone falls outside the studied population: not "it is fine" and not "there is no data", but what the reasoning actually looks like.

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da.bakkerTL2 Moderator1 Sep 2024#2

This follows the opening post rather than contradicting it.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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cannula_traceTL3Regular9 Sep 2024#3

Hypoglycemia risk: in people already on insulin or sulfonylureas, adding a GLP-1 agonist requires insulin dose reduction and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. This is manageable with attention.

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j.restrepoTL2 Moderator16 Sep 2024#4

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input.

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se.okaforTL2 Moderator28 Sep 2024#6

Pregnancy and planning: these compounds are not approved for use in pregnancy. Planning windows (how long to wait before attempting pregnancy) are not formally established. Conservative approaches wait several months to allow clearance.

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sharps_binTL2Regular4 Oct 2024#7

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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i.boatengTL2 Moderator10 Oct 2024#8
se.okafor, post #6: Pregnancy and planning: these compounds are not approved for use in pregnancy. Planning windows (how long to wait before attempting pregnancy) are not formally established. Conservative approaches wait several months to allow clearance. Go to post

Pancreatitis history: the compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. A history of pancreatitis makes monitoring for recurrence more important during titration.

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IsaksenTL3Regular15 Oct 2024#9

Medullary thyroid carcinoma history: an absolute contraindication because of the preclinical findings in rodent toxicology. The history (personal or family, especially multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2) is an important screening question.

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s.vogelTL2 Moderator21 Oct 2024#10

Older adults: sarcopenia risk is higher, polypharmacy is common, and the clinical trials did not enroll many people over 75. Extrapolating to very old people is extrapolating beyond the data.

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h.lindqvistTL2 Moderator26 Oct 2024#11

Renal impairment: the compounds are cleared renally to some degree. Dose adjustments might be needed in severe renal impairment. Consulting with a clinician familiar with renal dosing is prudent.

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appeals_deskTL3Regular31 Oct 2024#12
sharps_bin, post #7: Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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j.vogelTL2 Moderator5 Nov 2024#13

post #12 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Hepatic impairment: less is known about dosing in significant liver disease than in kidney disease. Extreme caution applies because the liver metabolises a large fraction of many medications.

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TL4_HalvorsenTL4Leader · Journal club10 Nov 2024#14

Worth separating two things that post #10 runs together.

Adolescents: a distinct evidence base exists. The compounds are not approved for routine adolescent obesity but are being studied. Adolescent physiology and psychology differ from adults' in ways that matter for this medication class.

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a.delgadoTL2 Moderator14 Nov 2024#15
j.restrepo, post #4: Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input. Go to post

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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m.haddadTL2Regular19 Nov 2024#16
sharps_bin, post #7: Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Hepatic impairment: less is known about dosing in significant liver disease than in kidney disease. Extreme caution applies because the liver metabolises a large fraction of many medications.

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s.adebayoTL2 Moderator24 Nov 2024#17

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input.

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weekly_pinTL2Regular28 Nov 2024#18

On post #14 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Hypoglycemia risk: in people already on insulin or sulfonylureas, adding a GLP-1 agonist requires insulin dose reduction and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. This is manageable with attention.

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r.weissTL2 Moderator3 Dec 2024#19

This follows post #16 rather than contradicting it.

Pregnancy and planning: these compounds are not approved for use in pregnancy. Planning windows (how long to wait before attempting pregnancy) are not formally established. Conservative approaches wait several months to allow clearance.

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aliquot_lineTL3Regular7 Dec 2024#20

Renal impairment: the compounds are cleared renally to some degree. Dose adjustments might be needed in severe renal impairment. Consulting with a clinician familiar with renal dosing is prudent.

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j.delacroixTL3Regular12 Dec 2024#21
j.vogel, post #13: post #12 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Hepatic impairment: less is known about dosing in significant liver disease than in kidney disease. Extreme caution applies because the liver metabolises a large fraction of many medications. Go to post

Older adults: sarcopenia risk is higher, polypharmacy is common, and the clinical trials did not enroll many people over 75. Extrapolating to very old people is extrapolating beyond the data.

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t.lindqvistTL2 Moderator16 Dec 2024#22

Pancreatitis history: the compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. A history of pancreatitis makes monitoring for recurrence more important during titration.

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MSaarinenTL3Regular20 Dec 2024#23

Worth separating two things that post #19 runs together.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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b.brandtTL2 Moderator25 Dec 2024#24

post #23 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Medullary thyroid carcinoma history: an absolute contraindication because of the preclinical findings in rodent toxicology. The history (personal or family, especially multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2) is an important screening question.

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cannula_notesTL2Member29 Dec 2024#25

Coming back to post #23, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists.

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e.tammTL2 Moderator2 Jan 2025#26

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input.

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IbrahimoviTL2Member6 Jan 2025#27

Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists.

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z.nakamuraTL2 Moderator10 Jan 2025#28
MSaarinen, post #23: Worth separating two things that post #19 runs together. Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive. Go to post

post #27 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Medullary thyroid carcinoma history: an absolute contraindication because of the preclinical findings in rodent toxicology. The history (personal or family, especially multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2) is an important screening question.

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r.torrenceTL2Member14 Jan 2025#29

I read post #27 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Pancreatitis history: the compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. A history of pancreatitis makes monitoring for recurrence more important during titration.

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c.kuuselaTL2 Moderator19 Jan 2025#30

This follows post #27 rather than contradicting it.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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