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Follow-up: Conditions that change the calculus rather than forbidding it

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l.cabreraTL2 Moderator10 Jul 2024#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: Conditions that change the calculus rather than forbidding it Everything below is what sits behind that.

General question, not a request for advice about my own care — I know the difference and I would rather be told to see my prescriber than get an answer that pretends otherwise.

I have a panel in front of me with one value outside the reference interval and everything else within it. My instinct is that a single out-of-range result on a single draw is close to uninformative, and I would like to understand how the people who read these professionally think about that.

What I am actually asking is how to tell an interesting result from an uninteresting one before booking an appointment about it.

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sterile_tableTL3Regular11 Jul 2024#2

Medullary thyroid carcinoma (personal or family history) or multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2: absolute contraindication. The rodent preclinical signal is real enough to exclude this population.

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y.eriksenTL2 Moderator12 Jul 2024#3
l.cabrera, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: Conditions that change the calculus rather than forbidding it Everything below is what sits behind that. General question, not a request for advice about my own care — I know the difference and I would rather be told to see my prescriber than get an answer that pretends otherwise. I have a… Go to post

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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PSundbergTL2Member13 Jul 2024#4

Concurrent insulin or sulfonylureas: not an absolute contraindication but requires dose adjustment and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. The combination is used with caution, not avoided.

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j.marchettiTL2 Moderator13 Jul 2024#5

post #4 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Diabetic retinopathy complications: a signal for this was noted in SUSTAIN 6. Current evidence is mixed. The risk is not zero and some caution is appropriate in people with baseline retinopathy.

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r.marsdenTL3Regular14 Jul 2024#6
l.cabrera, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: Conditions that change the calculus rather than forbidding it Everything below is what sits behind that. General question, not a request for advice about my own care — I know the difference and I would rather be told to see my prescriber than get an answer that pretends otherwise. I have a… Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #2 runs together.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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a.amankwahTL2 Moderator15 Jul 2024#7

Pregnancy: these compounds are not approved for pregnancy. The potential risks outweigh potential benefits. Planning windows and washout (several months) are the standard approach.

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lyophil_marginTL3Regular15 Jul 2024 · edited#8

Disordered eating history: appetite suppression can trigger relapse in people with history of anorexia, bulimia, or other eating disorders. This is a relative contraindication requiring specialist input.

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r.bruunTL2 Moderator16 Jul 2024#9

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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h.oyelowoTL2Regular16 Jul 2024#10

On post #6 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Severe renal impairment (eGFR <15): these compounds are renally cleared and accumulate in severe kidney disease. Risk-benefit is unfavourable without dose adjustment.

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titrate_traceTL1Member17 Jul 2024#11

Coming back to post #9, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

History of pancreatitis: these compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. History of pancreatitis increases relative risk. That is a relative contraindication, not absolute, but requires monitoring.

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KAnderssonTL3Regular18 Jul 2024#13
h.oyelowo, post #10: On post #6 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Severe renal impairment (eGFR Go to post

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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e.ndiayeTL2 Moderator18 Jul 2024#14
lyophil_margin, post #8: Disordered eating history: appetite suppression can trigger relapse in people with history of anorexia, bulimia, or other eating disorders. This is a relative contraindication requiring specialist input. Go to post

post #13 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Severe hepatic impairment: less is known than for kidney disease. Extreme caution or contraindication depending on the specific degree of impairment.

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abstract_peakTL1Member18 Jul 2024#15

I read post #13 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Severe hepatic impairment: less is known than for kidney disease. Extreme caution or contraindication depending on the specific degree of impairment.

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b.correiaTL2 Moderator19 Jul 2024#16

This follows post #13 rather than contradicting it.

Severe renal impairment (eGFR <15): these compounds are renally cleared and accumulate in severe kidney disease. Risk-benefit is unfavourable without dose adjustment.

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n.rowntreeTL3Regular19 Jul 2024#17

Medullary thyroid carcinoma (personal or family history) or multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2: absolute contraindication. The rodent preclinical signal is real enough to exclude this population.

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r.bakkenTL2 Moderator20 Jul 2024#18
r.bruun, post #9: I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological. The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient. Go to post

Allergy to the specific compound: true allergy is rare but possible. Any prior allergic reaction to the same compound or to structurally similar peptides warrants caution.

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titration_diaryTL3Regular20 Jul 2024 · edited#19

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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a.jansenTL2 Moderator21 Jul 2024#20

Pregnancy: these compounds are not approved for pregnancy. The potential risks outweigh potential benefits. Planning windows and washout (several months) are the standard approach.

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ZieglerTL3Regular21 Jul 2024#21

Picking up post #18: that is the part I would want checked first.

Disordered eating history: appetite suppression can trigger relapse in people with history of anorexia, bulimia, or other eating disorders. This is a relative contraindication requiring specialist input.

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b.jansenTL2 Moderator21 Jul 2024#22

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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WickramasingheTL2Member22 Jul 2024#23
a.jansen, post #20: Pregnancy: these compounds are not approved for pregnancy. The potential risks outweigh potential benefits. Planning windows and washout (several months) are the standard approach. Go to post

Diabetic retinopathy complications: a signal for this was noted in SUSTAIN 6. Current evidence is mixed. The risk is not zero and some caution is appropriate in people with baseline retinopathy.

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m.dumitruTL2 Moderator22 Jul 2024#24

History of pancreatitis: these compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. History of pancreatitis increases relative risk. That is a relative contraindication, not absolute, but requires monitoring.

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l.aaltonenTL3Regular23 Jul 2024#25

This follows post #22 rather than contradicting it.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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d.ndiayeTL2 Moderator23 Jul 2024#26
e.ferreira, post #12: Gastroparesis or severe delayed gastric emptying: these compounds slow gastric emptying. Pre-existing severe gastroparesis can be worsened. That is a relative contraindication depending on baseline severity. Go to post

I read post #24 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Concurrent insulin or sulfonylureas: not an absolute contraindication but requires dose adjustment and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. The combination is used with caution, not avoided.

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h.nicolaidesTL3Regular23 Jul 2024#27
Ziegler, post #21: Picking up post #18: that is the part I would want checked first. Disordered eating history: appetite suppression can trigger relapse in people with history of anorexia, bulimia, or other eating disorders. This is a relative contraindication requiring specialist input. Go to post

Gastroparesis or severe delayed gastric emptying: these compounds slow gastric emptying. Pre-existing severe gastroparesis can be worsened. That is a relative contraindication depending on baseline severity.

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p.onwukaTL2 Moderator24 Jul 2024#28

History of pancreatitis: these compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. History of pancreatitis increases relative risk. That is a relative contraindication, not absolute, but requires monitoring.

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endpoint_lineTL3Regular24 Jul 2024 · edited#29

Pregnancy: these compounds are not approved for pregnancy. The potential risks outweigh potential benefits. Planning windows and washout (several months) are the standard approach.

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in.guerreroTL2 Moderator25 Jul 2024#30
titrate_trace, post #11: Coming back to post #9, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. History of pancreatitis: these compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. History of pancreatitis increases relative risk. That is a relative contraindication, not absolute, but requires monitoring. Go to post

Disordered eating history: appetite suppression can trigger relapse in people with history of anorexia, bulimia, or other eating disorders. This is a relative contraindication requiring specialist input.

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