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Follow-up: Recovery when intake is low: what to cut first

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n.villalobosTL2 Moderator30 Oct 2024#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: Recovery when intake is low: what to cut first Everything below is what sits behind that.

Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement.

Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 49 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and resistance-training sessions, both self-reported and both therefore optimistic.

The reason I am posting is a pattern in the middle of the series that I cannot explain and that I suspect is measurement rather than signal.

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r.restrepoTL2 Moderator31 Oct 2024 · edited#2

Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together.

Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery.

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c.lundgrenTL2 Moderator1 Nov 2024#3

Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment.

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n.nybergTL2 Moderator2 Nov 2024#4
r.restrepo, post #2: Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together. Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery. Go to post

Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training.

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j.delacroixTL3Regular3 Nov 2024#5
n.nyberg, post #4: Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training. Go to post

post #4 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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c.falkTL2 Moderator4 Nov 2024#6

Deload weeks: periodic weeks (every 4 to 8 weeks) with reduced volume and intensity can help with recovery and sometimes reveal strength gains that got obscured by fatigue.

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a.westergaardTL3Regular4 Nov 2024#7

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

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d.yilmazTL2 Moderator5 Nov 2024#8

Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic.

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j.fonsecaTL2 Moderator6 Nov 2024 · edited#9
n.villalobos, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: Recovery when intake is low: what to cut first Everything below is what sits behind that. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement. Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 49 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and… Go to post

Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance.

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PharmNotes_WhitfieldTL4Pharmacist6 Nov 2024#10
c.lundgren, post #3: Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment. Go to post

Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning.

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compounding_ruthTL4Pharmacist7 Nov 2024#11

I read post #9 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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j.petrovTL2 Moderator8 Nov 2024#12

Programming while losing weight quickly: realistic expectations are crucial. Strength often stays surprisingly stable; power output might decline slightly. Expecting gains during an energy deficit sets yourself up for disappointment.

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t.vasquezTL4 Moderator8 Nov 2024 · edited#13
PharmNotes_Whitfield, post #10: Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning. Go to post

Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic.

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f.kimaniTL2 Moderator9 Nov 2024#14

post #13 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

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z.onwukaTL2 Moderator10 Nov 2024#15

Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training.

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m.rasmussenTL2 Moderator10 Nov 2024#16

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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j.baptistaTL2 Moderator11 Nov 2024#17
f.kimani, post #14: post #13 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range. Go to post

On post #13 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Programming while losing weight quickly: realistic expectations are crucial. Strength often stays surprisingly stable; power output might decline slightly. Expecting gains during an energy deficit sets yourself up for disappointment.

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c.dahlbergTL2 Moderator11 Nov 2024#18

post #17 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning.

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i.coelhoTL2 Moderator12 Nov 2024#19

Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment.

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d.petrescuTL2 Moderator13 Nov 2024 · edited#20

Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited.

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ThibodeauTL3Regular13 Nov 2024#21
i.coelho, post #19: Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment. Go to post

This follows post #18 rather than contradicting it.

Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery.

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m.restrepoTL2 Moderator14 Nov 2024#22
n.nyberg, post #4: Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training. Go to post

Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance.

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OstrowskiTL2Member14 Nov 2024#23

Deload weeks: periodic weeks (every 4 to 8 weeks) with reduced volume and intensity can help with recovery and sometimes reveal strength gains that got obscured by fatigue.

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j.silvaTL2 Moderator15 Nov 2024#24

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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d.bakkerTL2 Moderator15 Nov 2024#25
r.restrepo, post #2: Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together. Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery. Go to post

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

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p.marchettiTL2 Moderator16 Nov 2024#26
a.westergaard, post #7: Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range. Go to post

Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic.

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l.oseiTL2 Moderator17 Nov 2024#27

Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited.

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a.asanteTL2 Moderator17 Nov 2024 · edited#28

On post #24 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery.

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r.laurentTL2 Moderator18 Nov 2024#29

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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mira.patelTL4 Admin18 Nov 2024#30
a.asante, post #28: On post #24 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery. Go to post
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I read post #28 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Programming while losing weight quickly: realistic expectations are crucial. Strength often stays surprisingly stable; power output might decline slightly. Expecting gains during an energy deficit sets yourself up for disappointment.

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