Follow-up: Why appetite effects are mostly central

On post #11 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Cross-reactivity and selectivity: the compounds are not perfectly selective for their target receptors. Semaglutide has some activity on other receptors; tirzepatide activates both GLP-1 and GIP with different affinities. The off-target effects are part of the overall pharmacology.

Central versus peripheral action: GLP-1 agonism works through both central nervous system effects (appetite) and peripheral effects (gastric motility, insulin). The balance is not fully characterised.

Species differences: rodent studies show the same compounds produce effects in rodents that predict human effects reasonably well for semaglutide and tirzepatide. The track record is less clear for novel compounds with less human data.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

Glucagon receptor agonism: glucagon receptor agonism increases energy expenditure and promotes hepatic fat oxidation. The mechanism is distinct from GLP-1 and GIP agonism and the clinical consequences are still being characterised.

Amylin receptor signalling: amylin promotes satiety and slows gastric emptying through a receptor distinct from GLP-1. The hypothesis behind combination therapy is two complementary satiety mechanisms.

Bias and desensitisation: receptors can be biased (preferentially activating some downstream pathways over others) and can desensitise over time (responding less to the same stimulus with repeated exposure). Both might affect long-term response to these compounds.

Picking up post #20: that is the part I would want checked first.

Pharmacological class effects: all GLP-1 agonists slow gastric emptying and suppress appetite. Those are class effects, not unique to one compound. Effects that differ between compounds are usually about potency or receptor selectivity.

Coming back to post #22, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

GLP-1 receptor signalling: the GLP-1 receptor is expressed on beta cells (insulin secretion), on neurons (appetite and gastric motility), and on myocardium (contractility). Different tissues respond to the same signal in different ways.

post #24 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Pharmacological class effects: all GLP-1 agonists slow gastric emptying and suppress appetite. Those are class effects, not unique to one compound. Effects that differ between compounds are usually about potency or receptor selectivity.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

Long-term receptor changes: very little is known about what happens to receptor expression, signalling, and downstream effects over years of exposure to these compounds. That is exactly the knowledge gap phase 3 trials exist to fill.

I read post #26 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

GLP-1 receptor signalling: the GLP-1 receptor is expressed on beta cells (insulin secretion), on neurons (appetite and gastric motility), and on myocardium (contractility). Different tissues respond to the same signal in different ways.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

On post #26 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Glucagon receptor agonism: glucagon receptor agonism increases energy expenditure and promotes hepatic fat oxidation. The mechanism is distinct from GLP-1 and GIP agonism and the clinical consequences are still being characterised.