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Hypertension improvement and when medication needs revisiting — a second dataset posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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m.kjaerTL2 Moderator14 Oct 2024#31

Type 2 diabetes: the population with the largest evidence base for these compounds. The SURPASS and SUSTAIN programmes established glycaemic benefit. The renal and cardiovascular benefit evidence is separate from the glycaemic benefit evidence.

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priorauth_notesTL2Regular14 Oct 2024#32
f.demir, post #9: post #8 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Hepatic steatosis and MASH: a phase 2 trial in semaglutide for steatohepatitis showed resolution was more frequent on treatment. Histological resolution is a surrogate for long-term clinical outcomes like cirrhosis. Go to post

post #31 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Comorbidity control: if a comorbidity (high blood pressure, high lipids) is not adequately controlled, the decision about adding compounds in this class depends on the current control status, not on the compound alone.

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e.mbekiTL2 Moderator14 Oct 2024#33

I read post #31 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Obstructive sleep apnoea: SURMOUNT-OSA used an objective endpoint, the apnoea-hypopnoea index. Reduction was substantial. Whether the benefit is weight loss or a direct drug effect is not resolved by the trial.

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microgramsTL2Regular14 Oct 2024#34

PCOS and metabolic overlap: polycystic ovary syndrome has metabolic overlap with obesity and insulin resistance. Data on compounds in this class in PCOS specifically is thin; most discussion is by mechanism.

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m.vukovicTL214 Oct 2024#35
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np_gilmoreTL3Nurse practitioner14 Oct 2024#36
h.frisk, post #6: On post #2 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Chronic kidney disease: compounds in this class have renal benefit in people with kidney disease. The benefit appears to be additive to other renal-protective agents, not a replacement for them. Go to post

Multiple comorbidities: a person with diabetes, kidney disease, and cardiovascular disease is outside the studied populations in most trials. Extrapolating to that person requires reasoning from the individual component trials and mechanisms.

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ro.zielinskiTL2 Moderator15 Oct 2024#37

Coming back to post #35, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Interactions between comorbidities: diabetes and kidney disease together change the risk calculation for hypoglycemia and for medication clearance. They are not independent variables.

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sourced_claimsTL3Regular15 Oct 2024#38

Picking up post #35: that is the part I would want checked first.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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r.serranoTL2 Moderator15 Oct 2024#39

Chronic kidney disease: compounds in this class have renal benefit in people with kidney disease. The benefit appears to be additive to other renal-protective agents, not a replacement for them.

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owen.bradyTL4 Moderator15 Oct 2024#40
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For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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f.laurentTL215 Oct 2024#41
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septum_entryTL2Member16 Oct 2024#42

Worth separating two things that post #38 runs together.

Interactions between comorbidities: diabetes and kidney disease together change the risk calculation for hypoglycemia and for medication clearance. They are not independent variables.

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k.kimaniTL2 Moderator16 Oct 2024#43
g.pemberton_uk, post #7: Comorbidity control: if a comorbidity (high blood pressure, high lipids) is not adequately controlled, the decision about adding compounds in this class depends on the current control status, not on the compound alone. Go to post

Comorbidity control: if a comorbidity (high blood pressure, high lipids) is not adequately controlled, the decision about adding compounds in this class depends on the current control status, not on the compound alone.

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isotonic_reviewTL1Member16 Oct 2024#44
e.almeida, post #17: On post #13 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Bariatric surgery history: altered anatomy after surgery affects absorption. That matters for oral medications and for reconstituted solutions. Discussing specific medications and doses with a clinician familiar with bariatric surgery is prudent. Go to post

Type 2 diabetes: the population with the largest evidence base for these compounds. The SURPASS and SUSTAIN programmes established glycaemic benefit. The renal and cardiovascular benefit evidence is separate from the glycaemic benefit evidence.

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k.chukwuTL2 Moderator16 Oct 2024#45

Obstructive sleep apnoea: SURMOUNT-OSA used an objective endpoint, the apnoea-hypopnoea index. Reduction was substantial. Whether the benefit is weight loss or a direct drug effect is not resolved by the trial.

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z.laurentTL2 Moderator16 Oct 2024#46

On post #42 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Cardiovascular disease: several compounds have cardiovascular outcome trials. SELECT was in people without diabetes; SUSTAIN 6 was in high-risk diabetes. Absolute benefit is largest in high-risk people.

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h.eriksenTL2 Moderator17 Oct 2024#47

PCOS and metabolic overlap: polycystic ovary syndrome has metabolic overlap with obesity and insulin resistance. Data on compounds in this class in PCOS specifically is thin; most discussion is by mechanism.

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e.lehtinenTL2 Moderator17 Oct 2024#48
t.marchetti, post #14: post #13 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use. Go to post

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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g.danquahTL2 Moderator17 Oct 2024#49

Hepatic steatosis and MASH: a phase 2 trial in semaglutide for steatohepatitis showed resolution was more frequent on treatment. Histological resolution is a surrogate for long-term clinical outcomes like cirrhosis.

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BuchholzTL217 Oct 2024#50
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chromatogramTL4Analytical chemist17 Oct 2024#51

Multiple comorbidities: a person with diabetes, kidney disease, and cardiovascular disease is outside the studied populations in most trials. Extrapolating to that person requires reasoning from the individual component trials and mechanisms.

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e.kuuselaTL2 Moderator17 Oct 2024#52
buffer_review, post #19: Obstructive sleep apnoea: SURMOUNT-OSA used an objective endpoint, the apnoea-hypopnoea index. Reduction was substantial. Whether the benefit is weight loss or a direct drug effect is not resolved by the trial. Go to post

PCOS and metabolic overlap: polycystic ovary syndrome has metabolic overlap with obesity and insulin resistance. Data on compounds in this class in PCOS specifically is thin; most discussion is by mechanism.

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j.mwangiTL4 Moderator18 Oct 2024#53
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On post #49 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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c.ramosTL2 Moderator18 Oct 2024#54

post #53 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Obstructive sleep apnoea: SURMOUNT-OSA used an objective endpoint, the apnoea-hypopnoea index. Reduction was substantial. Whether the benefit is weight loss or a direct drug effect is not resolved by the trial.

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preregisteredTL3Research methods18 Oct 2024 · edited#55

I read post #53 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Chronic kidney disease: compounds in this class have renal benefit in people with kidney disease. The benefit appears to be additive to other renal-protective agents, not a replacement for them.

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j.vogelTL2 Moderator18 Oct 2024#56
IHollingworth, post #15: Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive. Go to post

Hepatic steatosis and MASH: a phase 2 trial in semaglutide for steatohepatitis showed resolution was more frequent on treatment. Histological resolution is a surrogate for long-term clinical outcomes like cirrhosis.

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retention_indexTL2Analytical chemist18 Oct 2024#57

Type 2 diabetes: the population with the largest evidence base for these compounds. The SURPASS and SUSTAIN programmes established glycaemic benefit. The renal and cardiovascular benefit evidence is separate from the glycaemic benefit evidence.

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m.adeyemiTL2 Moderator18 Oct 2024#58

post #57 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Comorbidity control: if a comorbidity (high blood pressure, high lipids) is not adequately controlled, the decision about adding compounds in this class depends on the current control status, not on the compound alone.

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an.adeyemiTL2 Moderator19 Oct 2024#59

Coming back to post #57, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Interactions between comorbidities: diabetes and kidney disease together change the risk calculation for hypoglycemia and for medication clearance. They are not independent variables.

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e.silvaTL2 Moderator19 Oct 2024#60

Picking up post #57: that is the part I would want checked first.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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