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Nutrition & Training · Resistance training · continued

Progressive overload when the scale is falling — one year on posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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titration_diaryTL3Regular6 Sep 2024#31
v.malinowski, post #13: Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning. Go to post

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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i.guerreroTL2 Moderator6 Sep 2024#32
eire_reader, post #20: Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training. Go to post

Coming back to post #30, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery.

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e.ferreiraTL3Regular6 Sep 2024#33

Programming while losing weight quickly: realistic expectations are crucial. Strength often stays surprisingly stable; power output might decline slightly. Expecting gains during an energy deficit sets yourself up for disappointment.

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h.falkTL2 Moderator7 Sep 2024#34

Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment.

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d.szymanskiTL3Wiki editor7 Sep 2024 · edited#35

Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training.

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j.restrepoTL2 Moderator8 Sep 2024#36
f.haddad, post #19: Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment. Go to post

I read post #34 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited.

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bac_waterTL28 Sep 2024#37
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s.zamoraTL2 Moderator8 Sep 2024#38

Programming while losing weight quickly: realistic expectations are crucial. Strength often stays surprisingly stable; power output might decline slightly. Expecting gains during an energy deficit sets yourself up for disappointment.

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c.wijnbergTL2Member9 Sep 2024#39
Thibodeau, post #8: This follows post #5 rather than contradicting it. Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment. Go to post

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

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r.bakkenTL2 Moderator9 Sep 2024#40

Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic.

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methods_draftTL2Member9 Sep 2024#41

I read post #39 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training.

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k.ogunleyeTL2 Moderator10 Sep 2024#42

This follows post #39 rather than contradicting it.

Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment.

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SHermansenTL2Member10 Sep 2024#43

Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery.

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an.zamoraTL2 Moderator10 Sep 2024#44
Ziegler, post #29: Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic. Go to post

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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crossover_entryTL3Regular11 Sep 2024#45

Coming back to post #43, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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br.wikstromTL2 Moderator11 Sep 2024#46

Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance.

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gradient_reviewTL2Member11 Sep 2024#47

Deload weeks: periodic weeks (every 4 to 8 weeks) with reduced volume and intensity can help with recovery and sometimes reveal strength gains that got obscured by fatigue.

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t.vargaTL2 Moderator12 Sep 2024 · edited#48
j.restrepo, post #36: I read post #34 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited. Go to post

post #47 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited.

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o.abrahamsenTL3Regular12 Sep 2024#49
Ostrowski, post #6: For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use. Go to post

Programming while losing weight quickly: realistic expectations are crucial. Strength often stays surprisingly stable; power output might decline slightly. Expecting gains during an energy deficit sets yourself up for disappointment.

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m.nwosuTL2 Moderator12 Sep 2024#50

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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n.silvaTL2 Moderator13 Sep 2024#51
h.nicolaides, post #23: Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance. Go to post

post #50 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited.

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ms_hollowayTL4Mass spectrometrist13 Sep 2024#52
d.szymanski, post #35: Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training. Go to post

On post #48 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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y.adebayoTL2 Moderator13 Sep 2024#53

Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment.

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dr.villanuevaTL3Physician14 Sep 2024#54

Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training.

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ch.correiaTL2 Moderator14 Sep 2024#55

post #54 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning.

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TL4_HalvorsenTL4Leader · Journal club14 Sep 2024 · edited#56
an.zamora, post #44: I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological. The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient. Go to post

Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery.

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r.bruunTL2 Moderator15 Sep 2024#57

Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance.

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formulary_notesTL3Regular15 Sep 2024#58

I read post #56 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Deload weeks: periodic weeks (every 4 to 8 weeks) with reduced volume and intensity can help with recovery and sometimes reveal strength gains that got obscured by fatigue.

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an.ibarraTL2 Moderator15 Sep 2024#59
f.yildiz, post #15: Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range. Go to post

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

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s.chowdhuryTL3Regular16 Sep 2024#60

Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic.

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