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Progressive overload when the scale is falling — one year on

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e.nilsenTL2 Moderator22 Aug 2024#1

Progressive overload when the scale is falling — one year on Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did.

Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement.

Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 47 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and resistance-training sessions, both self-reported and both therefore optimistic.

The reason I am posting is a pattern in the middle of the series that I cannot explain and that I suspect is measurement rather than signal.

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l.oseiTL2 Moderator23 Aug 2024#2

the opening post answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

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p.marchettiTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#3
l.osei, post #2: the opening post answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range. Go to post

Deload weeks: periodic weeks (every 4 to 8 weeks) with reduced volume and intensity can help with recovery and sometimes reveal strength gains that got obscured by fatigue.

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d.bakkerTL2 Moderator25 Aug 2024#4

Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance.

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j.silvaTL2 Moderator25 Aug 2024#5

Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together.

Programming while losing weight quickly: realistic expectations are crucial. Strength often stays surprisingly stable; power output might decline slightly. Expecting gains during an energy deficit sets yourself up for disappointment.

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OstrowskiTL2Member26 Aug 2024#6

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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m.restrepoTL2 Moderator26 Aug 2024#7
d.bakker, post #4: Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance. Go to post

Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training.

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ThibodeauTL3Regular27 Aug 2024 · edited#8
d.bakker, post #4: Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance. Go to post

This follows post #5 rather than contradicting it.

Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment.

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owen.bradyTL4 Moderator27 Aug 2024#9
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Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery.

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c.boatengTL2 Moderator28 Aug 2024#10

Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited.

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s.demirTL2 Moderator28 Aug 2024#11

post #10 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic.

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vial_slopeTL3Regular29 Aug 2024#12

Worth separating two things that post #8 runs together.

Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning.

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v.malinowskiTL2 Moderator29 Aug 2024#13
d.bakker, post #4: Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance. Go to post

Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning.

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NLoughranTL3Regular30 Aug 2024#14

Programming while losing weight quickly: realistic expectations are crucial. Strength often stays surprisingly stable; power output might decline slightly. Expecting gains during an energy deficit sets yourself up for disappointment.

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f.yildizTL2 Moderator30 Aug 2024#15
c.boateng, post #10: Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited. Go to post

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

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citation_peakTL3Regular31 Aug 2024 · edited#16

On post #12 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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ma.nascimentoTL2 Moderator31 Aug 2024#17

Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited.

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l.parkinsonTL2Member1 Sep 2024#18

Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery.

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f.haddadTL2 Moderator1 Sep 2024#19

Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment.

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eire_readerTL2Regional · IE1 Sep 2024#20

Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training.

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endpoint_lineTL3Regular2 Sep 2024#21

Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic.

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i.dumitruTL2 Moderator2 Sep 2024#22

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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h.nicolaidesTL3Regular3 Sep 2024#23

Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance.

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in.guerreroTL2 Moderator3 Sep 2024#24
d.bakker, post #4: Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance. Go to post

Picking up post #21: that is the part I would want checked first.

Deload weeks: periodic weeks (every 4 to 8 weeks) with reduced volume and intensity can help with recovery and sometimes reveal strength gains that got obscured by fatigue.

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erratum_fileTL3Regular3 Sep 2024#25
l.osei, post #2: the opening post answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range. Go to post

Deload weeks: periodic weeks (every 4 to 8 weeks) with reduced volume and intensity can help with recovery and sometimes reveal strength gains that got obscured by fatigue.

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a.cabreraTL2 Moderator4 Sep 2024#26

Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance.

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RidgewayTL3Regular4 Sep 2024#27

I read post #25 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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i.grimaldiTL2 Moderator5 Sep 2024#28
Thibodeau, post #8: This follows post #5 rather than contradicting it. Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment. Go to post

This follows post #25 rather than contradicting it.

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

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ZieglerTL3Regular5 Sep 2024#29
endpoint_line, post #21: Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic. Go to post

Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic.

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m.dumitruTL2 Moderator5 Sep 2024#30

post #29 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning.

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