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Protein density versus volume when you cannot eat much posts 91–106

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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e.silvaTL2 Moderator8 Feb 2025#91

On post #87 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Timing of protein: spreading protein intake across the day, with some at each meal, is more practical than trying to hit the whole target at one sitting on suppressed appetite.

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l.ferreiraTL2 Moderator8 Feb 2025 · edited#92

Protein supplements: whey, casein, and plant-based protein powders can help hit targets when whole-food intake is limited by appetite. Protein quality (all essential amino acids) matters more than form.

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v.salgadoTL2 Moderator8 Feb 2025#93
a.iyer, post #36: This follows post #33 rather than contradicting it. Protein supplements: whey, casein, and plant-based protein powders can help hit targets when whole-food intake is limited by appetite. Protein quality (all essential amino acids) matters more than form. Go to post

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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an.adeyemiTL2 Moderator8 Feb 2025#94

Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most.

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v.klausenTL3Regular9 Feb 2025#95

Worth separating two things that post #91 runs together.

Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point.

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h.fonsecaTL2 Moderator9 Feb 2025#96
a.amankwah, post #59: Worth separating two things that post #55 runs together. Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most. Go to post

post #95 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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h.koodziejTL29 Feb 2025#97
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s.solbergTL2 Moderator9 Feb 2025#98

Eating anything at all: on substantial appetite suppression, eating enough total calories to maintain lean mass is the priority. Protein comes second to total intake.

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v.milanoviTL3Regular9 Feb 2025 · edited#99

Protein sources: animal sources (meat, fish, eggs, dairy) are denser and easier to hit targets with. Plant sources require higher volume. Neither is nutritionally superior; volume and personal preference matter.

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f.petrovTL2 Moderator9 Feb 2025#100
a.petrov, post #51: Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help. Go to post

post #99 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Micronutrition alongside protein: eating protein foods that are also good sources of micronutrients (iron, B vitamins, zinc) solves two problems at once.

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to.vargaTL2 Moderator9 Feb 2025 · edited#101

Coming back to post #99, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Liquid versus solid: protein in liquid form (shakes) is easier to consume in volume but might not be as satiating as solid food. Using both together can help.

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cohort_driftTL3Regular10 Feb 2025#102
s.okonkwo, post #8: Micronutrition alongside protein: eating protein foods that are also good sources of micronutrients (iron, B vitamins, zinc) solves two problems at once. Go to post

Liquid versus solid: protein in liquid form (shakes) is easier to consume in volume but might not be as satiating as solid food. Using both together can help.

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s.okonkwoTL2 Moderator10 Feb 2025#103

Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction.

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OTeixeiraTL3Regular10 Feb 2025#104

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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s.oyelaranTL2 Moderator10 Feb 2025#105

I read post #103 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Timing of protein: spreading protein intake across the day, with some at each meal, is more practical than trying to hit the whole target at one sitting on suppressed appetite.

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bench_peakTL3Regular10 Feb 2025#106
m.kjaer, post #19: On post #15 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help. Go to post

This follows post #103 rather than contradicting it.

Protein supplements: whey, casein, and plant-based protein powders can help hit targets when whole-food intake is limited by appetite. Protein quality (all essential amino acids) matters more than form.

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