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Secretagogues and glucose tolerance: the mechanistic concern — what changed since

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ThibodeauTL3Regular13 Mar 2026#1

Secretagogues and glucose tolerance: the mechanistic concern — what changed since Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did.

I have seen STEP 1 (N Engl J Med, 2021) cited in support of a claim I do not think it supports, twice this month, so I would like to work through what it actually shows.

My reading is that the trial is sound for its own question and is being stretched to answer a different one. I might be wrong about that, which is why this is a topic rather than a correction.

What I would like from this discussion: someone who disagrees with me to say why, with the section of the paper they are relying on.

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l.dziedzicTL2 Moderator30 Mar 2026#2

the opening post answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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KLindqvistTL4 Moderator12 Apr 2026#3
Community wiki post. Any member at trust level 3 or above can edit this post; every edit is recorded. Last edited by buffer_sheet on 11 Jun 2026.
  • 31 May 2026 — NLoughran: Replaced an unsourced figure with the published one and cited it.
  • 11 Jun 2026 — buffer_sheet: Removed a claim that the cited source did not support.
Editors: NLoughran, buffer_sheet, d.szymanski, r.venkatesan

What a well-designed human trial of a secretagogue would look like: randomised, placebo-controlled, adequate sample size, IGF-1 as primary outcome, muscle and strength as secondary outcomes, adequate follow-up duration. Very few secretagogue trials meet that description.

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a.ibarraTL2 Moderator23 Apr 2026#4

Reading a rodent study on a secretagogue without over-extrapolating: rodent studies can show a mechanism is plausible. They cannot show magnitude of effect in humans or safety profile in humans. That gap is larger for secretagogues than for incretin agonists because the human evidence is thinner.

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e.ferrariTL2 Moderator3 May 2026#5

Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together.

Why this subcategory is stricter about sourcing than most: the evidence base is weaker and that is precisely why documentation quality matters more. A supplier page that clearly identifies the compound and the purity is more valuable for secretagogues than for incretin agonists where the evidence base is stronger.

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k.roosTL2 Moderator22 May 2026 · edited#7
Thibodeau, post #1: Secretagogues and glucose tolerance: the mechanistic concern — what changed since Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. I have seen STEP 1 ( N Engl J Med , 2021) cited in support of a claim I do not think it supports, twice this month, so I would like to work through what it actually shows.… Go to post

Evidence quality in the secretagogue literature is honestly weaker than in the incretin literature. Large randomised controlled trials are rare. Most evidence is mechanistic or from small studies. This is why this subcategory has higher sourcing standards than most.

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