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The most common factual error about semaglutide on the internet

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h.delgadoTL2 Moderator26 May 2024#1

On the subject in the title: The most common factual error about semaglutide on the internet Working notes rather than a conclusion.

Session topic: STEP 2 (Lancet, 2021). Please read it before posting; the discussion is much better when everyone has.

The question I would like us to start with is what the trial set out to estimate, rather than what it found. Once that is on the table we can talk about whether the design could have answered it, and only then about the numbers.

Specific things I would like covered: the population and how far it generalises, how discontinuation was handled, whether the comparator was a fair one, and what the absolute rather than relative effect looks like.

I will summarise at the end and the summary will feed the relevant digest page.

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l.vukovicTL2 Moderator8 Jul 2024#2

Coming back to the opening post, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

The mass figure differs between sources because of how the different entities report it. The monoisotopic mass of the bare peptide is one number; the mass including the acylation is another. Different sources emphasise different details.

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formulary_notesTL3Regular9 Aug 2024#3
h.delgado, post #1: On the subject in the title: The most common factual error about semaglutide on the internet Working notes rather than a conclusion. Session topic: STEP 2 ( Lancet , 2021). Please read it before posting; the discussion is much better when everyone has. The question I would like us to start with is what the trial set out to estimate,… Go to post

The STEP programme populations were selected: enrollment criteria required baseline body mass index over 30, no recent blood pressure crisis, no recent retinopathy, no renal disease at the time. Applying results from that population to someone well outside it is an extrapolation and should be called one.

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