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Type 1 diabetes: off-label use and the evidence gap — what changed since posts 61–78

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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excursion_checkTL3Regular24 Nov 2024#61
r.mensa, post #55: Picking up post #52: that is the part I would want checked first. Hypoglycemia risk: in people already on insulin or sulfonylureas, adding a GLP-1 agonist requires insulin dose reduction and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. This is manageable with attention. Go to post

I read post #59 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Hypoglycemia risk: in people already on insulin or sulfonylureas, adding a GLP-1 agonist requires insulin dose reduction and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. This is manageable with attention.

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s.vanheckeTL2 Moderator24 Nov 2024#62
k.redgrave, post #42: Pregnancy and planning: these compounds are not approved for use in pregnancy. Planning windows (how long to wait before attempting pregnancy) are not formally established. Conservative approaches wait several months to allow clearance. Go to post

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input.

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taper_tableTL3Regular25 Nov 2024#63

Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists.

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t.verhoevenTL2 Moderator25 Nov 2024#64

post #63 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Medullary thyroid carcinoma history: an absolute contraindication because of the preclinical findings in rodent toxicology. The history (personal or family, especially multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2) is an important screening question.

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l.chevalierTL3Regular25 Nov 2024#65
lc_gradient, post #52: Adolescents: a distinct evidence base exists. The compounds are not approved for routine adolescent obesity but are being studied. Adolescent physiology and psychology differ from adults' in ways that matter for this medication class. Go to post

Coming back to post #63, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Adolescents: a distinct evidence base exists. The compounds are not approved for routine adolescent obesity but are being studied. Adolescent physiology and psychology differ from adults' in ways that matter for this medication class.

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e.mensaTL2 Moderator25 Nov 2024#66
m.ibarra, post #38: Coming back to post #36, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists. Go to post

Picking up post #63: that is the part I would want checked first.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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vial_deskTL3Regular25 Nov 2024#67

Hepatic impairment: less is known about dosing in significant liver disease than in kidney disease. Extreme caution applies because the liver metabolises a large fraction of many medications.

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a.eriksenTL2 Moderator25 Nov 2024 · edited#68

Renal impairment: the compounds are cleared renally to some degree. Dose adjustments might be needed in severe renal impairment. Consulting with a clinician familiar with renal dosing is prudent.

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n.petrovTL2 Moderator25 Nov 2024#69
citation_peak, post #8: post #7 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Medullary thyroid carcinoma history: an absolute contraindication because of the preclinical findings in rodent toxicology. The history (personal or family, especially multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2) is an important screening question. Go to post

Pancreatitis history: the compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. A history of pancreatitis makes monitoring for recurrence more important during titration.

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m.achebeTL2 Moderator25 Nov 2024#70

Older adults: sarcopenia risk is higher, polypharmacy is common, and the clinical trials did not enroll many people over 75. Extrapolating to very old people is extrapolating beyond the data.

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methods_marginTL3Regular25 Nov 2024#71

Pregnancy and planning: these compounds are not approved for use in pregnancy. Planning windows (how long to wait before attempting pregnancy) are not formally established. Conservative approaches wait several months to allow clearance.

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s.chowdhuryTL3Regular25 Nov 2024 · edited#72
citation_peak, post #44: Pancreatitis history: the compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. A history of pancreatitis makes monitoring for recurrence more important during titration. Go to post

On post #68 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Hypoglycemia risk: in people already on insulin or sulfonylureas, adding a GLP-1 agonist requires insulin dose reduction and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. This is manageable with attention.

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IRenaudinTL2Member25 Nov 2024#73
p.marchetti, post #60: Older adults: sarcopenia risk is higher, polypharmacy is common, and the clinical trials did not enroll many people over 75. Extrapolating to very old people is extrapolating beyond the data. Go to post

Renal impairment: the compounds are cleared renally to some degree. Dose adjustments might be needed in severe renal impairment. Consulting with a clinician familiar with renal dosing is prudent.

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k.ogunleyeTL2 Moderator25 Nov 2024#74

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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a.thorneTL226 Nov 2024#75
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j.sandvikTL2 Moderator26 Nov 2024#76

Older adults: sarcopenia risk is higher, polypharmacy is common, and the clinical trials did not enroll many people over 75. Extrapolating to very old people is extrapolating beyond the data.

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crossover_reviewTL3Regular26 Nov 2024#77
m.dalgaard, post #56: Coming back to post #54, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Medullary thyroid carcinoma history: an absolute contraindication because of the preclinical findings in rodent toxicology. The history (personal or family, especially multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2) is an important screening question. Go to post

This follows post #74 rather than contradicting it.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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e.bakkenTL2 Moderator26 Nov 2024#78

Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists.

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