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Coming back to: Grapefruit: why this class is not the class that cares

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a.kwiatkowskiTL2Member9 Aug 2024#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: Grapefruit: why this class is not the class that cares Everything below is what sits behind that.

I have read the maintained page on this and I still have a gap, so I am asking rather than guessing.

Context: retatrutide, 22 weeks in, currently at a dose I reached by the standard four-week steps. Everything below is my own record rather than anything a clinician told me.

The specific question is the one in the title. What I have already checked: the labelling summary on the relevant documentation page, the two most-linked topics in this subcategory, and my own notes from the last 11 weeks. What I could not find is whether the answer changes at higher doses or whether it is the same arithmetic throughout.

If the answer is "it depends", I would rather know what it depends on than be given a number.

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h.espinozaTL2 Moderator17 Aug 2024#2

Alcohol: no absolute contraindication but it raises gastrointestinal irritation risk and this drug class already does that. The conservative position during titration is to limit it.

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y.mensahTL3Wiki editor23 Aug 2024#3

Oral medications versus time: if you take an oral medication 30 minutes before semaglutide (which slows gastric emptying), the delayed stomach emptying affects when and where the oral medication is absorbed. Separating by a larger interval (1 to 2 hours) usually resolves this.

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j.falkTL2 Moderator28 Aug 2024 · edited#4
y.mensah, post #3: Oral medications versus time: if you take an oral medication 30 minutes before semaglutide (which slows gastric emptying), the delayed stomach emptying affects when and where the oral medication is absorbed. Separating by a larger interval (1 to 2 hours) usually resolves this. Go to post

I read the opening post twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

SGLT2 inhibitors: frequently co-administered and relevant to renal and cardiovascular discussion, not to interactions. There is no pharmacokinetic interaction of concern.

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customs_ledgerTL3Regular1 Sep 2024#5
h.espinoza, post #2: Alcohol: no absolute contraindication but it raises gastrointestinal irritation risk and this drug class already does that. The conservative position during titration is to limit it. Go to post

Anticoagulants: no direct interaction with the compounds in this class. Weight loss and body composition changes might affect the clearance or effect of warfarin if you are on it; monitoring INR more frequently during weight loss is reasonable.

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f.weissTL2 Moderator5 Sep 2024#6

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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w.novakTL3Regular10 Sep 2024#7

Picking up post #4: that is the part I would want checked first.

Thyroid medications: semaglutide is associated with a slowing of gastric emptying, which might affect thyroid medication absorption if they are taken very close together. Separating them by a few hours is the conservative approach.

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t.karlsenTL2 Moderator14 Sep 2024#8
a.kwiatkowski, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: Grapefruit: why this class is not the class that cares Everything below is what sits behind that. I have read the maintained page on this and I still have a gap, so I am asking rather than guessing. Context: retatrutide, 22 weeks in, currently at a dose I reached by the standard four-week… Go to post

Coming back to post #6, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Vitamins: most vitamins have no significant interaction. Fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) might be affected by the slowing of fat absorption during weight loss, but that is a nutritional consequence rather than an interaction.

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orbitrap_olaTL3Mass spectrometrist18 Sep 2024 · edited#9

Separation timing versus clinically important interaction: a separation timing inconvenience (taking one medication 2 hours before or after another) is not the same as a clinically important interaction. Both can reduce absorption of one or the other, but only true interactions require active management.

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p.mwangiTL2 Moderator21 Sep 2024#10

Worth separating two things that post #6 runs together.

Insulin interaction: semaglutide and tirzepatide are not contraindicated with insulin but the combination carries hypoglycemia risk if insulin doses are not adjusted. That is a reason for close monitoring, not for avoiding the combination.

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r.szaboTL2 Moderator25 Sep 2024#11

Sulfonylureas and meglitinides: these agents stimulate insulin release and carry hypoglycemia risk. Combining them with semaglutide or tirzepatide requires dose adjustment of the secretagogue and close monitoring. The combination is not contraindicated but requires active management.

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dexa_twice_yearlyTL3Regular29 Sep 2024#12
r.szabo, post #11: Sulfonylureas and meglitinides: these agents stimulate insulin release and carry hypoglycemia risk. Combining them with semaglutide or tirzepatide requires dose adjustment of the secretagogue and close monitoring. The combination is not contraindicated but requires active management. Go to post

This follows post #9 rather than contradicting it.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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r.nakamuraTL2 Moderator2 Oct 2024#13

Metformin: commonly co-administered and relevant to gastrointestinal tolerability. Gastrointestinal side effects can overlap and additive. Taking them separately or adjusting one if tolerability is poor are reasonable approaches.

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r.mcalisterTL3Regular6 Oct 2024 · edited#14

Food interactions: most interactions are absorption interactions. Some medications absorb better with food, others better on an empty stomach. With an incretin agonist that already slows gastric emptying, food effects interact with the drug effect as well.

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r.vukovicTL2 Moderator9 Oct 2024#15
j.falk, post #4: I read the opening post twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. SGLT2 inhibitors: frequently co-administered and relevant to renal and cardiovascular discussion, not to interactions. There is no pharmacokinetic interaction of concern. Go to post

Coming back to post #13, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Supplements and herbs: many have no established interaction. Some do. If you are taking something unusual, checking a reference (like a pharmacist) is more useful than guessing from forum discussion.

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tracked_parcelTL2Regular12 Oct 2024#16
a.kwiatkowski, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: Grapefruit: why this class is not the class that cares Everything below is what sits behind that. I have read the maintained page on this and I still have a gap, so I am asking rather than guessing. Context: retatrutide, 22 weeks in, currently at a dose I reached by the standard four-week… Go to post

Picking up post #13: that is the part I would want checked first.

Supplements and herbs: many have no established interaction. Some do. If you are taking something unusual, checking a reference (like a pharmacist) is more useful than guessing from forum discussion.

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s.balogunTL2 Moderator16 Oct 2024#17

SGLT2 inhibitors: frequently co-administered and relevant to renal and cardiovascular discussion, not to interactions. There is no pharmacokinetic interaction of concern.

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k.otieno_statsTL3Statistician19 Oct 2024#18

Oral medications versus time: if you take an oral medication 30 minutes before semaglutide (which slows gastric emptying), the delayed stomach emptying affects when and where the oral medication is absorbed. Separating by a larger interval (1 to 2 hours) usually resolves this.

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n.hartmannTL2 Moderator22 Oct 2024#19
k.otieno_stats, post #18: Oral medications versus time: if you take an oral medication 30 minutes before semaglutide (which slows gastric emptying), the delayed stomach emptying affects when and where the oral medication is absorbed. Separating by a larger interval (1 to 2 hours) usually resolves this. Go to post

Separation timing versus clinically important interaction: a separation timing inconvenience (taking one medication 2 hours before or after another) is not the same as a clinically important interaction. Both can reduce absorption of one or the other, but only true interactions require active management.

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stopper_traceTL2Member25 Oct 2024#20

Anticoagulants: no direct interaction with the compounds in this class. Weight loss and body composition changes might affect the clearance or effect of warfarin if you are on it; monitoring INR more frequently during weight loss is reasonable.

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m.ndiayeTL2 Moderator29 Oct 2024#21
t.karlsen, post #8: Coming back to post #6, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Vitamins: most vitamins have no significant interaction. Fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) might be affected by the slowing of fat absorption during weight loss, but that is a nutritional consequence rather than an interaction. Go to post

Food interactions: most interactions are absorption interactions. Some medications absorb better with food, others better on an empty stomach. With an incretin agonist that already slows gastric emptying, food effects interact with the drug effect as well.

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l.chevalierTL3Regular1 Nov 2024#22

Sulfonylureas and meglitinides: these agents stimulate insulin release and carry hypoglycemia risk. Combining them with semaglutide or tirzepatide requires dose adjustment of the secretagogue and close monitoring. The combination is not contraindicated but requires active management.

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t.batistaTL2 Moderator4 Nov 2024#23

post #22 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Insulin interaction: semaglutide and tirzepatide are not contraindicated with insulin but the combination carries hypoglycemia risk if insulin doses are not adjusted. That is a reason for close monitoring, not for avoiding the combination.

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r.chukwuTL2 Moderator10 Nov 2024#25
r.nakamura, post #13: Metformin: commonly co-administered and relevant to gastrointestinal tolerability. Gastrointestinal side effects can overlap and additive. Taking them separately or adjusting one if tolerability is poor are reasonable approaches. Go to post

Alcohol: no absolute contraindication but it raises gastrointestinal irritation risk and this drug class already does that. The conservative position during titration is to limit it.

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BramleyTL2Member13 Nov 2024#26

Coming back to post #24, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Thyroid medications: semaglutide is associated with a slowing of gastric emptying, which might affect thyroid medication absorption if they are taken very close together. Separating them by a few hours is the conservative approach.

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p.boatengTL2 Moderator16 Nov 2024#27

post #26 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Vitamins: most vitamins have no significant interaction. Fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) might be affected by the slowing of fat absorption during weight loss, but that is a nutritional consequence rather than an interaction.

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cohort_driftTL3Regular19 Nov 2024#28

Metformin: commonly co-administered and relevant to gastrointestinal tolerability. Gastrointestinal side effects can overlap and additive. Taking them separately or adjusting one if tolerability is poor are reasonable approaches.

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k.kuuselaTL2 Moderator22 Nov 2024#29

This follows post #26 rather than contradicting it.

Supplements and herbs: many have no established interaction. Some do. If you are taking something unusual, checking a reference (like a pharmacist) is more useful than guessing from forum discussion.

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footnote_entryTL3Regular25 Nov 2024#30

I read post #28 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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