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Melanocortin agonists: mechanism and the documented adverse profile

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a.pereiraTL2 Moderator2 Aug 2024#1

Melanocortin agonists: mechanism and the documented adverse profile — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable.

Comparing STEP 4 (JAMA, 2021) with SURMOUNT-2 (Lancet, 2023) and finding the comparison harder than it looks.

Different populations, different durations, different endpoints defined slightly differently, and in one case a different estimand. People compare the headline percentages anyway, including me until recently.

Is there a defensible way to put these side by side, or is the honest answer that there is not and we should stop?

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br.wikstromTL2 Moderator10 Sep 2024#4
crossover_entry, post #3: Compounds this community declines to help with, and why: there are specifics in the guidelines and they are not arbitrary. They exist because of failure modes that have happened in real people, not because of prudishness. Go to post

Reading a supplier's product description as a marketing document: that is exactly what it is. The hyperbole, the mechanism written as fact, the theoretical benefits stated as established benefits — all of that is marketing. Treat it as such and separate it from evidence where evidence exists.

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n.ramosTL2 Moderator16 Oct 2024#8
gradient_review, post #5: Research-use-only status is a legal classification, not a safety classification. It means the compound is sold for laboratory use and not for human consumption or treatment. The label does not tell you whether the molecule is safe, efficacious, or what its effects are. Go to post

post #7 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

When "no data" is the complete and final answer: if there is no published human data on a compound, that is the state of knowledge. Hope is not a substitute and reasoning from theory is not a substitute. That is not a reason for shame; it is the honest epistemic position.

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cannula_driftTL3Regular25 Oct 2024#9

Why catalogue breadth is not evidence of anything: a supplier listing 500 compounds does not make the 450 untested ones likely to work. It makes them untested compounds with supplier pages.

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y.ibarraTL2 Moderator9 Nov 2024#11
a.pereira, post #1: Melanocortin agonists: mechanism and the documented adverse profile — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Comparing STEP 4 ( JAMA , 2021) with SURMOUNT-2 ( Lancet , 2023) and finding the comparison harder than it looks. Different populations, different durations, different endpoints defined slightly… Go to post

This follows post #8 rather than contradicting it.

Distinguishing marketed research compounds from true chemical synthesis: some online suppliers sell compounds that are genuinely novel and difficult to obtain elsewhere. Others repackage standard compounds. Verifying what you are buying requires careful documentation review.

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