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Why catalogue breadth is not evidence of anything

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c.bakkerTL2 Moderator21 Jan 2026#1

Why catalogue breadth is not evidence of anything I have a specific reason for asking rather than idle curiosity, and the context is below.

I have seen SURPASS-4 (Lancet, 2021) cited in support of a claim I do not think it supports, twice this month, so I would like to work through what it actually shows.

My reading is that the trial is sound for its own question and is being stretched to answer a different one. I might be wrong about that, which is why this is a topic rather than a correction.

What I would like from this discussion: someone who disagrees with me to say why, with the section of the paper they are relying on.

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k.asanteTL2 Moderator10 May 2026#2

the opening post answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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VPoulsenTL3Regular26 Jul 2026#3

Why catalogue breadth is not evidence of anything: a supplier listing 500 compounds does not make the 450 untested ones likely to work. It makes them untested compounds with supplier pages.

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