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People with a low starting BMI: where the evidence stops

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v.fontaineTL2 Moderator6 Sep 2024#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: People with a low starting BMI: where the evidence stops Everything below is what sits behind that.

Asking about a population rather than about a person.

The published trials in this class mostly enrolled a fairly specific group, and the questions here frequently come from people well outside it. I would like to understand what the honest position is when someone falls outside the studied population: not "it is fine" and not "there is no data", but what the reasoning actually looks like.

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j.delacroixTL3Regular15 Sep 2024#2

Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together.

Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists.

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sa.okonkwoTL2 Moderator21 Sep 2024#3

This follows post #2 rather than contradicting it.

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input.

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a.westergaardTL3Regular27 Sep 2024 · edited#4
sa.okonkwo, post #3: This follows post #2 rather than contradicting it. Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input. Go to post

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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am.wikstromTL2 Moderator2 Oct 2024#5
v.fontaine, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: People with a low starting BMI: where the evidence stops Everything below is what sits behind that. Asking about a population rather than about a person. The published trials in this class mostly enrolled a fairly specific group, and the questions here frequently come from people well outside… Go to post

post #4 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Pregnancy and planning: these compounds are not approved for use in pregnancy. Planning windows (how long to wait before attempting pregnancy) are not formally established. Conservative approaches wait several months to allow clearance.

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d.magalhesTL2Member7 Oct 2024#6

On post #2 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Adolescents: a distinct evidence base exists. The compounds are not approved for routine adolescent obesity but are being studied. Adolescent physiology and psychology differ from adults' in ways that matter for this medication class.

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b.brandtTL2 Moderator12 Oct 2024#7

Pancreatitis history: the compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. A history of pancreatitis makes monitoring for recurrence more important during titration.

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MSaarinenTL3Regular16 Oct 2024#8
d.magalhes, post #6: On post #2 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Adolescents: a distinct evidence base exists. The compounds are not approved for routine adolescent obesity but are being studied. Adolescent physiology and psychology differ from adults' in ways that matter for this medication class. Go to post

Older adults: sarcopenia risk is higher, polypharmacy is common, and the clinical trials did not enroll many people over 75. Extrapolating to very old people is extrapolating beyond the data.

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c.kuuselaTL2 Moderator20 Oct 2024 · edited#9

post #8 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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DSakamotoTL3Regular25 Oct 2024#10

Renal impairment: the compounds are cleared renally to some degree. Dose adjustments might be needed in severe renal impairment. Consulting with a clinician familiar with renal dosing is prudent.

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r.mensahTL2 Moderator29 Oct 2024#11

Hypoglycemia risk: in people already on insulin or sulfonylureas, adding a GLP-1 agonist requires insulin dose reduction and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. This is manageable with attention.

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y.mensahTL3Wiki editor2 Nov 2024#12

This follows post #9 rather than contradicting it.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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h.espinozaTL2 Moderator6 Nov 2024 · edited#13
y.mensah, post #12: This follows post #9 rather than contradicting it. For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use. Go to post

Hepatic impairment: less is known about dosing in significant liver disease than in kidney disease. Extreme caution applies because the liver metabolises a large fraction of many medications.

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t.karlsenTL2 Moderator14 Nov 2024#15

Coming back to post #13, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Older adults: sarcopenia risk is higher, polypharmacy is common, and the clinical trials did not enroll many people over 75. Extrapolating to very old people is extrapolating beyond the data.

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w.novakTL3Regular17 Nov 2024#16
a.westergaard, post #4: Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive. Go to post

Picking up post #13: that is the part I would want checked first.

Pancreatitis history: the compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. A history of pancreatitis makes monitoring for recurrence more important during titration.

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y.asanteTL2 Moderator21 Nov 2024#17

Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists.

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journalclub_wrenTL3Regular25 Nov 2024#18

Medullary thyroid carcinoma history: an absolute contraindication because of the preclinical findings in rodent toxicology. The history (personal or family, especially multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2) is an important screening question.

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r.ilungaTL2 Moderator28 Nov 2024#19

Hepatic impairment: less is known about dosing in significant liver disease than in kidney disease. Extreme caution applies because the liver metabolises a large fraction of many medications.

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s.grahameTL2Member2 Dec 2024#20
journalclub_wren, post #18: Medullary thyroid carcinoma history: an absolute contraindication because of the preclinical findings in rodent toxicology. The history (personal or family, especially multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2) is an important screening question. Go to post

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input.

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t.brandtTL2 Moderator5 Dec 2024#21

Pregnancy and planning: these compounds are not approved for use in pregnancy. Planning windows (how long to wait before attempting pregnancy) are not formally established. Conservative approaches wait several months to allow clearance.

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k.bettencourtTL2Member9 Dec 2024#22

Adolescents: a distinct evidence base exists. The compounds are not approved for routine adolescent obesity but are being studied. Adolescent physiology and psychology differ from adults' in ways that matter for this medication class.

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ew.kuuselaTL2 Moderator12 Dec 2024 · edited#23

post #22 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Hypoglycemia risk: in people already on insulin or sulfonylureas, adding a GLP-1 agonist requires insulin dose reduction and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. This is manageable with attention.

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baseline_tableTL2Member16 Dec 2024#24
j.delacroix, post #2: Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together. Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #20 runs together.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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f.laurentTL219 Dec 2024#25
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septum_entryTL2Member23 Dec 2024#26

Coming back to post #24, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Hypoglycemia risk: in people already on insulin or sulfonylureas, adding a GLP-1 agonist requires insulin dose reduction and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. This is manageable with attention.

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a.coelhoTL2 Moderator26 Dec 2024#27

post #26 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Renal impairment: the compounds are cleared renally to some degree. Dose adjustments might be needed in severe renal impairment. Consulting with a clinician familiar with renal dosing is prudent.

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cohort_watchTL2Member29 Dec 2024#28
am.wikstrom, post #5: post #4 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Pregnancy and planning: these compounds are not approved for use in pregnancy. Planning windows (how long to wait before attempting pregnancy) are not formally established. Conservative approaches wait several months to allow clearance. Go to post

Hepatic impairment: less is known about dosing in significant liver disease than in kidney disease. Extreme caution applies because the liver metabolises a large fraction of many medications.

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