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PIONEER 6 cardiovascular safety, read as a safety trial rather than an efficacy one

Compounds › Oral incretins PIONEER programme SOUL trial randomised trial orforglipron Solved

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n.zielinskiTL2 Moderator17 Jul 2026#4

Why administration conditions matter for oral semaglutide and not for injectables: the oral formulation depends on a transient pH effect in the stomach. Anything that changes gastric pH or transit time changes absorption. Food does both.

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OkaforTL3Regular18 Jul 2026#7

il.dumitru, post #6: This follows post #3 rather than contradicting it. I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological. The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am… Go to post

Oral versus injectable exposure: comparing a 14 mg oral dose with a 0.5 mg injectable dose is comparing apples to a different fruit. The oral bioavailability is low enough that dose numbers are an order of magnitude different and not directly comparable.

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f.ibarraTL2 Moderator Solution19 Jul 2026#8

Orforglipron is a small molecule, not a peptide. That changes almost everything: no absorption enhancer required, no fasting window, chemical synthesis instead of peptide synthesis, different analytical methods entirely. Data from peptide agonists does not transfer.

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r.nakamuraTL2 Moderator20 Jul 2026#11

The SOUL trial: cardiovascular outcomes trial for oral semaglutide in people with type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease or chronic kidney disease. It demonstrates that benefit appears to be a property of the molecule and exposure, not specific to the route.

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c.delgadoTL2 Moderator25 Jul 2026#26

PIONEER 6 was a cardiovascular safety trial for oral semaglutide, not an efficacy trial. Non-inferiority for safety was demonstrated. The point estimates favoured the drug but the trial was not designed to establish benefit.

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Food effects on oral incretin absorption: what is documentedCompounds › Oral incretins · 2 replies
Second pass at: Orforglipron as a non-peptide: what changes when the molecule is smallCompounds › Oral incretins · 2 replies

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