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Evidence · Study critique · continued

Reverse causation in a cohort study of weight and outcome — a second dataset posts 61–90

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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chromatogramTL4Analytical chemist14 Sep 2025#61

On post #57 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Publication bias: a single published positive trial is weaker evidence than multiple published trials with consistent results. Asking whether there are unpublished negative trials is a fair critical question.

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a.wikstromTL2 Moderator14 Sep 2025#62

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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endo_fellow_rkTL3Endocrinology fellow14 Sep 2025#63

When you change your mind: if a reply convinces you that your criticism was not well-founded, say so plainly. The critique might still be real but smaller than you originally thought. That is not a failure — it is how discussion works.

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t.dumitruTL2 Moderator14 Sep 2025#64
taper_shift, post #17: This follows post #14 rather than contradicting it. Confounding: in observational data, is there a third variable that explains the apparent association? In randomised data, randomisation should balance unknown confounders, though known confounders can be adjusted for. Go to post

What makes a methodological criticism substantive: it identifies a specific feature of the design that materially affects what the paper can conclude. "Small sample size" alone is weak. "Small sample size for a rare outcome, so the confidence interval is wide" is stronger.

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c.bakkerTL2 Moderator14 Sep 2025#65
s.vukovic, post #31: This follows post #28 rather than contradicting it. When you change your mind: if a reply convinces you that your criticism was not well-founded, say so plainly. The critique might still be real but smaller than you originally thought. That is not a failure — it is how discussion works. Go to post

Multiple comparisons: if a paper reports many outcomes, the chance of a spurious association by random chance is real. Pre-specification of primary outcomes matters and secondary analyses are weaker evidence.

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j.nascimentoTL2 Moderator14 Sep 2025#66

Choosing the worst interpretation: "The confidence interval includes a harmful effect" is true if the CI goes from -1 to +5. But assuming the worst-case scenario is not how you use the evidence. The point estimate and the precision both matter.

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s.leclercTL4 Moderator14 Sep 2025#67
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Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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c.ramosTL2 Moderator14 Sep 2025#68
journalclub_wren, post #47: Worth separating two things that post #43 runs together. What makes a methodological criticism substantive: it identifies a specific feature of the design that materially affects what the paper can conclude. "Small sample size" alone is weak. "Small sample size for a rare outcome, so the confidence interval is wide" is stronger. Go to post

This follows post #65 rather than contradicting it.

Multiple comparisons: if a paper reports many outcomes, the chance of a spurious association by random chance is real. Pre-specification of primary outcomes matters and secondary analyses are weaker evidence.

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an.adeyemiTL2 Moderator14 Sep 2025#69

Confounding: in observational data, is there a third variable that explains the apparent association? In randomised data, randomisation should balance unknown confounders, though known confounders can be adjusted for.

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e.silvaTL2 Moderator14 Sep 2025 · edited#70

post #69 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Bias towards the null and bias away from the null: different criticisms have different directions. Differential dropout might bias away from null; conservative statistical analysis might bias toward null.

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t.brandtTL2 Moderator14 Sep 2025#72

Coming back to post #70, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Building consensus on which criticisms matter: if everyone agrees that the sample size is small but only you think that affects the conclusion, maybe your criticism is more idiosyncratic. That does not make it wrong but it is worth noticing.

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BuchholzTL2Member14 Sep 2025#73

post #72 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Defending a paper against criticism: if the authors respond, they might clarify something the paper explained poorly. Their response might also miss your point. Either way, the exchange in public is more useful than quiet disagreement.

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ew.kuuselaTL2 Moderator15 Sep 2025#74

When you change your mind: if a reply convinces you that your criticism was not well-founded, say so plainly. The critique might still be real but smaller than you originally thought. That is not a failure — it is how discussion works.

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LundqvistTL2Member15 Sep 2025#75
m.stephanopoulos, post #30: Confounding: in observational data, is there a third variable that explains the apparent association? In randomised data, randomisation should balance unknown confounders, though known confounders can be adjusted for. Go to post

Choosing the worst interpretation: "The confidence interval includes a harmful effect" is true if the CI goes from -1 to +5. But assuming the worst-case scenario is not how you use the evidence. The point estimate and the precision both matter.

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f.laurentTL2 Moderator15 Sep 2025#76
journalclub_wren, post #47: Worth separating two things that post #43 runs together. What makes a methodological criticism substantive: it identifies a specific feature of the design that materially affects what the paper can conclude. "Small sample size" alone is weak. "Small sample size for a rare outcome, so the confidence interval is wide" is stronger. Go to post

Publication bias: a single published positive trial is weaker evidence than multiple published trials with consistent results. Asking whether there are unpublished negative trials is a fair critical question.

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k.bettencourtTL2Member15 Sep 2025 · edited#77

post #76 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

What makes a methodological criticism substantive: it identifies a specific feature of the design that materially affects what the paper can conclude. "Small sample size" alone is weak. "Small sample size for a rare outcome, so the confidence interval is wide" is stronger.

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j.solbergTL2 Moderator15 Sep 2025#78

Worth separating two things that post #74 runs together.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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glossary_deskTL3Regular15 Sep 2025#79

Picking up post #76: that is the part I would want checked first.

Generalisability: do the inclusion/exclusion criteria narrow the population so much that results do not apply to real people asking about it? This is a fair criticism but requires specificity about which real people and why the difference matters.

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l.krastevTL215 Sep 2025#80
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t.dumitruTL2 Moderator15 Sep 2025#81

Criticise the method, not the author: a paper with a weak design is not a bad paper by someone with bad intentions. It is a paper that answers a limited question. Sometimes that is what the sponsor wanted, sometimes the researchers did the best they could with constraints.

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chromatogramTL4Analytical chemist15 Sep 2025#82
f.amankwah, post #52: Worth separating two things that post #48 runs together. Publication bias: a single published positive trial is weaker evidence than multiple published trials with consistent results. Asking whether there are unpublished negative trials is a fair critical question. Go to post

This follows post #79 rather than contradicting it.

What makes a methodological criticism substantive: it identifies a specific feature of the design that materially affects what the paper can conclude. "Small sample size" alone is weak. "Small sample size for a rare outcome, so the confidence interval is wide" is stronger.

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a.wikstromTL2 Moderator15 Sep 2025#83

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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s.leclercTL4 Moderator15 Sep 2025#84
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Building consensus on which criticisms matter: if everyone agrees that the sample size is small but only you think that affects the conclusion, maybe your criticism is more idiosyncratic. That does not make it wrong but it is worth noticing.

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h.lindqvistTL2 Moderator15 Sep 2025#85
chromatogram, post #82: This follows post #79 rather than contradicting it. What makes a methodological criticism substantive: it identifies a specific feature of the design that materially affects what the paper can conclude. "Small sample size" alone is weak. "Small sample size for a rare outcome, so the confidence interval is wide" is stronger. Go to post

Coming back to post #83, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Choosing the worst interpretation: "The confidence interval includes a harmful effect" is true if the CI goes from -1 to +5. But assuming the worst-case scenario is not how you use the evidence. The point estimate and the precision both matter.

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TL4_HalvorsenTL4Leader · Journal club15 Sep 2025 · edited#86
t.dumitru, post #64: What makes a methodological criticism substantive: it identifies a specific feature of the design that materially affects what the paper can conclude. "Small sample size" alone is weak. "Small sample size for a rare outcome, so the confidence interval is wide" is stronger. Go to post

Picking up post #83: that is the part I would want checked first.

When you change your mind: if a reply convinces you that your criticism was not well-founded, say so plainly. The critique might still be real but smaller than you originally thought. That is not a failure — it is how discussion works.

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r.ekstromTL2 Moderator15 Sep 2025#87

Multiple comparisons: if a paper reports many outcomes, the chance of a spurious association by random chance is real. Pre-specification of primary outcomes matters and secondary analyses are weaker evidence.

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endo_fellow_rkTL3Endocrinology fellow15 Sep 2025#88

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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l.vukovicTL2 Moderator15 Sep 2025 · edited#89

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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weekly_pinTL2Regular15 Sep 2025#90

Defending a paper against criticism: if the authors respond, they might clarify something the paper explained poorly. Their response might also miss your point. Either way, the exchange in public is more useful than quiet disagreement.

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