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Second pass at: Reimbursement variation across member states

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a.petrovTL2 Moderator12 Aug 2024#1

On the subject in the title: Second pass at: Reimbursement variation across member states Working notes rather than a conclusion.

A coverage question with the paperwork detail included, since that is what determines the answer.

Denial received, with a stated reason. My reading of the reason is that it tells me exactly what to submit next, which is the useful thing about a well-written denial.

Before I spend a week on it: is my reading of the stated criterion correct, and is there a documented precedent for this specific ground?

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cannula_driftTL3Regular19 Aug 2024#2

Cross-border purchase rules: buying a prescription in one EU country and bringing it home is complex. The substance is legal but crossing borders with it requires understanding both countries' import rules.

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a.cardosoTL2 Moderator23 Aug 2024#3
a.petrov, post #1: On the subject in the title: Second pass at: Reimbursement variation across member states Working notes rather than a conclusion. A coverage question with the paperwork detail included, since that is what determines the answer. Denial received, with a stated reason. My reading of the reason is that it tells me exactly what to submit… Go to post

post #2 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

France: ANSM implements EU framework. Reimbursement has been narrower for weight management. Prescribing restrictions were applied during shortages, directing available product toward diabetes indications.

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buffer_reviewTL3Regular27 Aug 2024#4
cannula_drift, post #2: Cross-border purchase rules: buying a prescription in one EU country and bringing it home is complex. The substance is legal but crossing borders with it requires understanding both countries' import rules. Go to post

Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together.

Germany: BfArM implements EU framework. Statutory insurance (the majority) excludes "lifestyle medicines" including weight management. Private prescription is common. Private insurance sometimes covers it.

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s.bergstromTL2 Moderator31 Aug 2024#5

Picking up post #2: that is the part I would want checked first.

Netherlands: CBG-MEB implements framework. GPs are first point of contact. Insurance coverage for weight management is conditional on structured lifestyle programme participation.

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m.coelhoTL2 Moderator4 Sep 2024#6

Spain: AEMPS is the regulator. Public reimbursement for weight management has been limited with regional variation in specialist pathways. Private prescription is common.

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f.novakTL2 Moderator7 Sep 2024#7
a.petrov, post #1: On the subject in the title: Second pass at: Reimbursement variation across member states Working notes rather than a conclusion. A coverage question with the paperwork detail included, since that is what determines the answer. Denial received, with a stated reason. My reading of the reason is that it tells me exactly what to submit… Go to post

Italy: AIFA controls reimbursement through a note system. Weight-management indications have not attracted public reimbursement. Regional health authorities add further variation.

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KTurkingtonTL3Regular11 Sep 2024#8

On post #4 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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ai.wikstromTL2 Moderator14 Sep 2024#9

This follows post #6 rather than contradicting it.

Reimbursement varies substantially by member state. Some (Germany, France, Netherlands) restrict weight-management coverage. Others are more permissive. That variation is the single most determinative factor in access for most EU residents.

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t.steenkampTL2Member17 Sep 2024#10
KTurkington, post #8: On post #4 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive. Go to post

I read post #8 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Private prescription with self-payment is legal across the EU and is the common route where public reimbursement is not available.

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b.aaltoTL2 Moderator20 Sep 2024#11
KTurkington, post #8: On post #4 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive. Go to post

EMA is the regulator with national implementation. Licensed incretin analogues are prescription-only across the EU, with some variation in specific approvals by member state.

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e.lehtinenTL223 Sep 2024#12
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f.villalobosTL2 Moderator26 Sep 2024#13

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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t.pereiraTL2 Moderator29 Sep 2024#14

This follows post #11 rather than contradicting it.

Reimbursement varies substantially by member state. Some (Germany, France, Netherlands) restrict weight-management coverage. Others are more permissive. That variation is the single most determinative factor in access for most EU residents.

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bench_notesTL4 Moderator2 Oct 2024#15

Germany: BfArM implements EU framework. Statutory insurance (the majority) excludes "lifestyle medicines" including weight management. Private prescription is common. Private insurance sometimes covers it.

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v.baptistaTL2 Moderator5 Oct 2024#16
b.aalto, post #11: EMA is the regulator with national implementation. Licensed incretin analogues are prescription-only across the EU, with some variation in specific approvals by member state. Go to post

France: ANSM implements EU framework. Reimbursement has been narrower for weight management. Prescribing restrictions were applied during shortages, directing available product toward diabetes indications.

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PharmNotes_WhitfieldTL4Pharmacist7 Oct 2024#17

Coming back to post #15, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Spain: AEMPS is the regulator. Public reimbursement for weight management has been limited with regional variation in specialist pathways. Private prescription is common.

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s.cabreraTL2 Moderator10 Oct 2024#18

Picking up post #15: that is the part I would want checked first.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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n.abernathyTL3Analytical chemist13 Oct 2024#19
b.aalto, post #11: EMA is the regulator with national implementation. Licensed incretin analogues are prescription-only across the EU, with some variation in specific approvals by member state. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #15 runs together.

Italy: AIFA controls reimbursement through a note system. Weight-management indications have not attracted public reimbursement. Regional health authorities add further variation.

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n.kuuselaTL2 Moderator15 Oct 2024#20

post #19 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Netherlands: CBG-MEB implements framework. GPs are first point of contact. Insurance coverage for weight management is conditional on structured lifestyle programme participation.

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t.nardoneTL3Regular18 Oct 2024#21
n.kuusela, post #20: post #19 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Netherlands: CBG-MEB implements framework. GPs are first point of contact. Insurance coverage for weight management is conditional on structured lifestyle programme participation. Go to post

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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c.serranoTL2 Moderator21 Oct 2024#22

Private prescription with self-payment is legal across the EU and is the common route where public reimbursement is not available.

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BBramleyTL3Regular23 Oct 2024#23

Picking up post #20: that is the part I would want checked first.

Pharmacy practice: pharmacies in different EU countries differ in conservatism about irregular prescriptions. Some will decline a prescription they consider irregular; others will not. Local pharmacy culture matters.

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r.danquahTL2 Moderator26 Oct 2024 · edited#24

Coming back to post #22, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Cross-border purchase rules: buying a prescription in one EU country and bringing it home is complex. The substance is legal but crossing borders with it requires understanding both countries' import rules.

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k.fonsecaTL2 Moderator28 Oct 2024#25
c.serrano, post #22: Private prescription with self-payment is legal across the EU and is the common route where public reimbursement is not available. Go to post

post #24 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

EMA is the regulator with national implementation. Licensed incretin analogues are prescription-only across the EU, with some variation in specific approvals by member state.

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k.vanheckeTL2 Moderator31 Oct 2024#26
a.cardoso, post #3: post #2 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. France: ANSM implements EU framework. Reimbursement has been narrower for weight management. Prescribing restrictions were applied during shortages, directing available product toward diabetes indications. Go to post

Germany: BfArM implements EU framework. Statutory insurance (the majority) excludes "lifestyle medicines" including weight management. Private prescription is common. Private insurance sometimes covers it.

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k.perrinTL2 Moderator2 Nov 2024#27

Netherlands: CBG-MEB implements framework. GPs are first point of contact. Insurance coverage for weight management is conditional on structured lifestyle programme participation.

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bench_notesTL45 Nov 2024#28
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KAnderssonTL3Regular7 Nov 2024#29

post #28 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Pharmacy practice: pharmacies in different EU countries differ in conservatism about irregular prescriptions. Some will decline a prescription they consider irregular; others will not. Local pharmacy culture matters.

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