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The mass-error checker and its intended scope

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va.baptistaTL2 Moderator16 May 2024#1

The mass-error checker and its intended scope Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did.

Working through the identity arithmetic and I would like it checked.

tirzepatide has a monoisotopic mass close to 4813.5 Da. On an electrospray instrument I would expect to see the multiply charged series rather than the intact singly charged ion, so for the doubly charged species I calculate (4813.5 + 2 x 1.00728) / 2, and for the triply charged the analogous expression.

The observed values in the report sit within a few ppm of those. My question is what that actually establishes, because I have seen people treat a mass match as a purity result and I do not think it is one.

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l.wikstromTL2 Moderator18 May 2024#2

Precision and significant figures: the calculators do not round to match your input precision. If you input values to one decimal place, the output might have more. Use significant figures appropriate to your input precision.

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c.tullochTL2 Moderator19 May 2024#3
l.wikstrom, post #2: Precision and significant figures: the calculators do not round to match your input precision. If you input values to one decimal place, the output might have more. Use significant figures appropriate to your input precision. Go to post

Why calculators are not medical advice: they do arithmetic. Medical decisions are not arithmetic. A calculator that says a certain dose is "compatible with" a certain body mass is not a prescription.

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KLindqvistTL4 Moderator20 May 2024 · edited#4
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Picking up post #3: that is the part I would want checked first.

Reporting bugs: if you notice a calculator giving wrong results, report it in this subcategory. Bugs are fixed when identified.

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p.amankwahTL2 Moderator21 May 2024#5

Mass error checking: enter your observed mass and theoretical mass and check whether the difference in ppm is within reasonable bounds for your instrument. Useful sanity check on LC-MS results.

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e.ferrariTL2 Moderator21 May 2024#6

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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v.nascimentoTL2 Moderator22 May 2024#7
KLindqvist, post #4: Picking up post #3: that is the part I would want checked first. Reporting bugs: if you notice a calculator giving wrong results, report it in this subcategory. Bugs are fixed when identified. Go to post

I read post #5 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Dose equivalence calculator: compounds have different potencies. The calculator is provided with a caveat: "equivalence" is not precise and individual response varies. It is a rough starting point, not a dose prescription.

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n.rahimiTL2 Moderator23 May 2024#8
c.tulloch, post #3: Why calculators are not medical advice: they do arithmetic. Medical decisions are not arithmetic. A calculator that says a certain dose is "compatible with" a certain body mass is not a prescription. Go to post

This follows post #5 rather than contradicting it.

Titration planning: a calculator that shows you the escalation schedule for different starting and ending doses can help you visualize your path. Actual path might be slower or adjusted for tolerability.

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KnowltonTL3Regular23 May 2024 · edited#9

Storage lookup: which conditions (temperature, time) are you considering storing in, and how much stability loss is expected? The calculator gives a rough estimate based on typical stability data. Not a substitute for your compound's specific stability data.

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s.achebeTL2 Moderator24 May 2024#10
l.wikstrom, post #2: Precision and significant figures: the calculators do not round to match your input precision. If you input values to one decimal place, the output might have more. Use significant figures appropriate to your input precision. Go to post

Offline use: all calculators are written in JavaScript and can be downloaded and run offline if desired. They do not require internet connectivity to function.

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c.inglethorpeTL3Regular25 May 2024#11

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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f.chowdhuryTL2 Moderator25 May 2024 · edited#12

Units: all calculators explicitly require units to be stated. This prevents the decimal-point errors that come from forgetting units. Always verify units in and out.

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ThibodeauTL3Regular26 May 2024#13
n.rahimi, post #8: This follows post #5 rather than contradicting it. Titration planning: a calculator that shows you the escalation schedule for different starting and ending doses can help you visualize your path. Actual path might be slower or adjusted for tolerability. Go to post

This follows post #10 rather than contradicting it.

The calculators maintained on this site are open-source and verifiable. They are intended to check arithmetic, not to replace medical judgement. Using them is optional and they are provided for convenience.

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h.amankwahTL2 Moderator27 May 2024#14
f.chowdhury, post #12: Units: all calculators explicitly require units to be stated. This prevents the decimal-point errors that come from forgetting units. Always verify units in and out. Go to post

I read post #12 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Reconstitution calculator: enter vial mass, final volume target, and the calculator tells you concentration and syringe mark for a given dose. Useful for double-checking arithmetic when you are doing it by hand.

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h.ramosTL2 Moderator28 May 2024#16

Mass error checking: enter your observed mass and theoretical mass and check whether the difference in ppm is within reasonable bounds for your instrument. Useful sanity check on LC-MS results.

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CSagredoTL3Regular29 May 2024#17
Knowlton, post #9: Storage lookup: which conditions (temperature, time) are you considering storing in, and how much stability loss is expected? The calculator gives a rough estimate based on typical stability data. Not a substitute for your compound's specific stability data. Go to post

Reporting bugs: if you notice a calculator giving wrong results, report it in this subcategory. Bugs are fixed when identified.

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r.molnarTL2 Moderator29 May 2024 · edited#18

Coming back to post #16, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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b.demirTL2 Moderator30 May 2024#19

post #18 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Why calculators are not medical advice: they do arithmetic. Medical decisions are not arithmetic. A calculator that says a certain dose is "compatible with" a certain body mass is not a prescription.

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s.bruunTL2 Moderator30 May 2024#20
KLindqvist, post #4: Picking up post #3: that is the part I would want checked first. Reporting bugs: if you notice a calculator giving wrong results, report it in this subcategory. Bugs are fixed when identified. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #16 runs together.

Offline use: all calculators are written in JavaScript and can be downloaded and run offline if desired. They do not require internet connectivity to function.

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m.duarteTL231 May 2024#21
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n.norgaardTL2 Moderator31 May 2024#22

Reconstitution calculator: enter vial mass, final volume target, and the calculator tells you concentration and syringe mark for a given dose. Useful for double-checking arithmetic when you are doing it by hand.

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r.villalobosTL2 Moderator1 Jun 2024#23
m.duarte, post #21: On post #17 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. The calculators maintained on this site are open-source and verifiable. They are intended to check arithmetic, not to replace medical judgement. Using them is optional and they are provided for convenience. Go to post

Dose equivalence calculator: compounds have different potencies. The calculator is provided with a caveat: "equivalence" is not precise and individual response varies. It is a rough starting point, not a dose prescription.

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o.vogelTL2 Moderator1 Jun 2024#24

Titration planning: a calculator that shows you the escalation schedule for different starting and ending doses can help you visualize your path. Actual path might be slower or adjusted for tolerability.

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r.scholtenTL2Member2 Jun 2024#25

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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g.verhoevenTL2 Moderator3 Jun 2024#26

Precision and significant figures: the calculators do not round to match your input precision. If you input values to one decimal place, the output might have more. Use significant figures appropriate to your input precision.

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f.fenwickTL3Regular3 Jun 2024#27
va.baptista, post #1: The mass-error checker and its intended scope Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. Working through the identity arithmetic and I would like it checked. tirzepatide has a monoisotopic mass close to 4813.5 Da. On an electrospray instrument I would expect to see the multiply charged series… Go to post

Units: all calculators explicitly require units to be stated. This prevents the decimal-point errors that come from forgetting units. Always verify units in and out.

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ar.petrovTL2 Moderator4 Jun 2024#28
n.norgaard, post #22: Reconstitution calculator: enter vial mass, final volume target, and the calculator tells you concentration and syringe mark for a given dose. Useful for double-checking arithmetic when you are doing it by hand. Go to post

This follows post #25 rather than contradicting it.

Units: all calculators explicitly require units to be stated. This prevents the decimal-point errors that come from forgetting units. Always verify units in and out.

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diluent_watchTL2Member4 Jun 2024#29
s.bruun, post #20: Worth separating two things that post #16 runs together. Offline use: all calculators are written in JavaScript and can be downloaded and run offline if desired. They do not require internet connectivity to function. Go to post

Titration planning: a calculator that shows you the escalation schedule for different starting and ending doses can help you visualize your path. Actual path might be slower or adjusted for tolerability.

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z.vogelTL25 Jun 2024#30