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Ultrasound and skinfolds: operator dependence in practice — what changed since

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b.jansenTL2 Moderator11 Dec 2025#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: Ultrasound and skinfolds: operator dependence in practice — what changed since Everything below is what sits behind that.

Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement.

Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 83 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and resistance-training sessions, both self-reported and both therefore optimistic.

The reason I am posting is a pattern in the middle of the series that I cannot explain and that I suspect is measurement rather than signal.

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a.vermeulenTL2 Moderator19 Dec 2025#2

Ultrasound: thickness of subcutaneous fat at specific sites. Less standardised than DXA and operator-dependent. Useful as a supplementary measure but not as a primary method.

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t.kulkarniTL3Regular24 Dec 2025#3

This follows post #2 rather than contradicting it.

Visceral fat: DXA does not distinguish visceral (organ-associated) fat from subcutaneous fat. That distinction might matter but requires different imaging to measure.

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p.novakTL2 Moderator29 Dec 2025#4

I read the opening post twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

DXA (dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry): the standard for body composition in research. Precision is roughly ±1 kg for lean mass. Two scans six months apart on the same machine with the same technician give you useful information. Two scans six weeks apart on different machines tell you about the machines.

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r.venkatesanTL3Wiki editor3 Jan 2026#5

Changes during titration: measuring body composition during active titration is less useful than measuring after dose is stable. Titration causes fluid shifts that confound body composition.

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p.krastevTL2 Moderator8 Jan 2026 · edited#6
t.kulkarni, post #3: This follows post #2 rather than contradicting it. Visceral fat: DXA does not distinguish visceral (organ-associated) fat from subcutaneous fat. That distinction might matter but requires different imaging to measure. Go to post

On post #2 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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isotonic_sheetTL3Regular12 Jan 2026#7

Picking up post #4: that is the part I would want checked first.

Precision versus accuracy: the precision you need depends on what question you are answering. "Am I losing fat?" requires less precision than "Is my lean mass preservation within the expected range?"

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ni.kravchenkoTL2 Moderator16 Jan 2026#8

Lean mass loss during rapid weight reduction: depends on protein intake, resistance training volume, and total energy deficit. Adequate protein and maintaining training intensity both help preserve lean mass.

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logbook_erinTL3Regular20 Jan 2026#9
ni.kravchenko, post #8: Lean mass loss during rapid weight reduction: depends on protein intake, resistance training volume, and total energy deficit. Adequate protein and maintaining training intensity both help preserve lean mass. Go to post

post #8 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Maintenance phase: tracking body composition during maintenance (weight stable) is different from tracking during active loss. Changes are smaller and precision becomes more important.

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au.pereiraTL2 Moderator24 Jan 2026#10

Worth separating two things that post #6 runs together.

Comparison to published data: the trials reported mean fat and lean mass changes. Individual results vary around that mean. Being above or below average is not a sign of something wrong.

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r.oyelaranTL2 Moderator28 Jan 2026#11

I read post #9 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Resting metabolic rate: body composition affects metabolic rate. As fat mass decreases and lean mass is maintained, metabolic rate is usually maintained better than with simple weight loss alone.

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k.farrugiaTL3Regular31 Jan 2026#12

This follows post #9 rather than contradicting it.

Bioelectric impedance analysis: less precise than DXA and strongly affected by hydration state. Not reliable for detecting month-to-month changes. Useful for trend over years if done consistently.

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c.balogunTL2 Moderator4 Feb 2026#13
ni.kravchenko, post #8: Lean mass loss during rapid weight reduction: depends on protein intake, resistance training volume, and total energy deficit. Adequate protein and maintaining training intensity both help preserve lean mass. Go to post

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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lyophil_marginTL3Regular8 Feb 2026#14
r.venkatesan, post #5: Changes during titration: measuring body composition during active titration is less useful than measuring after dose is stable. Titration causes fluid shifts that confound body composition. Go to post

Bioelectric impedance analysis: less precise than DXA and strongly affected by hydration state. Not reliable for detecting month-to-month changes. Useful for trend over years if done consistently.

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c.vasquezTL2 Moderator11 Feb 2026#15

Coming back to post #13, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Resting metabolic rate: body composition affects metabolic rate. As fat mass decreases and lean mass is maintained, metabolic rate is usually maintained better than with simple weight loss alone.

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dr_seongTL3Physician14 Feb 2026#16

Comparison to published data: the trials reported mean fat and lean mass changes. Individual results vary around that mean. Being above or below average is not a sign of something wrong.

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i.almeidaTL2 Moderator18 Feb 2026 · edited#17
k.farrugia, post #12: This follows post #9 rather than contradicting it. Bioelectric impedance analysis: less precise than DXA and strongly affected by hydration state. Not reliable for detecting month-to-month changes. Useful for trend over years if done consistently. Go to post

Maintenance phase: tracking body composition during maintenance (weight stable) is different from tracking during active loss. Changes are smaller and precision becomes more important.

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orbitrap_olaTL3Mass spectrometrist21 Feb 2026#18

post #17 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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i.rasmussenTL2 Moderator25 Feb 2026#19

Ultrasound: thickness of subcutaneous fat at specific sites. Less standardised than DXA and operator-dependent. Useful as a supplementary measure but not as a primary method.

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n.torrenceTL3Regular28 Feb 2026#20

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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cannula_notesTL2Member3 Mar 2026#21
p.krastev, post #6: On post #2 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound. Go to post

Changes during titration: measuring body composition during active titration is less useful than measuring after dose is stable. Titration causes fluid shifts that confound body composition.

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b.brandtTL2 Moderator6 Mar 2026#22
r.oyelaran, post #11: I read post #9 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Resting metabolic rate: body composition affects metabolic rate. As fat mass decreases and lean mass is maintained, metabolic rate is usually maintained better than with simple weight loss alone. Go to post

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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IbrahimoviTL2Member9 Mar 2026#23

Precision versus accuracy: the precision you need depends on what question you are answering. "Am I losing fat?" requires less precision than "Is my lean mass preservation within the expected range?"

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am.wikstromTL2 Moderator13 Mar 2026#24

Worth separating two things that post #20 runs together.

Lean mass loss during rapid weight reduction: depends on protein intake, resistance training volume, and total energy deficit. Adequate protein and maintaining training intensity both help preserve lean mass.

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j.delacroixTL3Regular16 Mar 2026#25

Visceral fat: DXA does not distinguish visceral (organ-associated) fat from subcutaneous fat. That distinction might matter but requires different imaging to measure.

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sa.okonkwoTL2 Moderator19 Mar 2026#26
c.vasquez, post #15: Coming back to post #13, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Resting metabolic rate: body composition affects metabolic rate. As fat mass decreases and lean mass is maintained, metabolic rate is usually maintained better than with simple weight loss alone. Go to post

DXA (dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry): the standard for body composition in research. Precision is roughly ±1 kg for lean mass. Two scans six months apart on the same machine with the same technician give you useful information. Two scans six weeks apart on different machines tell you about the machines.

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MSaarinenTL3Regular22 Mar 2026#27

post #26 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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t.lindqvistTL2 Moderator25 Mar 2026 · edited#28

On post #24 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Resting metabolic rate: body composition affects metabolic rate. As fat mass decreases and lean mass is maintained, metabolic rate is usually maintained better than with simple weight loss alone.

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lyophil_marginTL3Regular28 Mar 2026#29
lyophil_margin, post #14: Bioelectric impedance analysis: less precise than DXA and strongly affected by hydration state. Not reliable for detecting month-to-month changes. Useful for trend over years if done consistently. Go to post

Comparison to published data: the trials reported mean fat and lean mass changes. Individual results vary around that mean. Being above or below average is not a sign of something wrong.

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h.krastevTL2 Moderator31 Mar 2026 · edited#30

I read post #28 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Visceral fat: DXA does not distinguish visceral (organ-associated) fat from subcutaneous fat. That distinction might matter but requires different imaging to measure.

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