Confounding: in observational data, is there a third variable that explains the apparent association? In randomised data, randomisation should balance unknown confounders, though known confounders can be adjusted for.
A claim built entirely on a subgroup analysis posts 61–81
This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.
Multiple comparisons: if a paper reports many outcomes, the chance of a spurious association by random chance is real. Pre-specification of primary outcomes matters and secondary analyses are weaker evidence.
Picking up post #61: that is the part I would want checked first.
Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.
Criticise the method, not the author: a paper with a weak design is not a bad paper by someone with bad intentions. It is a paper that answers a limited question. Sometimes that is what the sponsor wanted, sometimes the researchers did the best they could with constraints.
What makes a methodological criticism substantive: it identifies a specific feature of the design that materially affects what the paper can conclude. "Small sample size" alone is weak. "Small sample size for a rare outcome, so the confidence interval is wide" is stronger.
I read post #65 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.
Generalisability: do the inclusion/exclusion criteria narrow the population so much that results do not apply to real people asking about it? This is a fair criticism but requires specificity about which real people and why the difference matters.
This follows post #65 rather than contradicting it.
Publication bias: a single published positive trial is weaker evidence than multiple published trials with consistent results. Asking whether there are unpublished negative trials is a fair critical question.
Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.
post #69 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.
Choosing the worst interpretation: "The confidence interval includes a harmful effect" is true if the CI goes from -1 to +5. But assuming the worst-case scenario is not how you use the evidence. The point estimate and the precision both matter.
Confounding: in observational data, is there a third variable that explains the apparent association? In randomised data, randomisation should balance unknown confounders, though known confounders can be adjusted for.
post #72 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.
Generalisability: do the inclusion/exclusion criteria narrow the population so much that results do not apply to real people asking about it? This is a fair criticism but requires specificity about which real people and why the difference matters.
On post #70 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.
Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.
Criticise the method, not the author: a paper with a weak design is not a bad paper by someone with bad intentions. It is a paper that answers a limited question. Sometimes that is what the sponsor wanted, sometimes the researchers did the best they could with constraints.
Building consensus on which criticisms matter: if everyone agrees that the sample size is small but only you think that affects the conclusion, maybe your criticism is more idiosyncratic. That does not make it wrong but it is worth noticing.
I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.
The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.
Worth separating two things that post #74 runs together.
When you change your mind: if a reply convinces you that your criticism was not well-founded, say so plainly. The critique might still be real but smaller than you originally thought. That is not a failure — it is how discussion works.
Picking up post #76: that is the part I would want checked first.
Choosing the worst interpretation: "The confidence interval includes a harmful effect" is true if the CI goes from -1 to +5. But assuming the worst-case scenario is not how you use the evidence. The point estimate and the precision both matter.
Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.
Multiple comparisons: if a paper reports many outcomes, the chance of a spurious association by random chance is real. Pre-specification of primary outcomes matters and secondary analyses are weaker evidence.
Suggested topics
| Topic | Participants | Replies | Views | Activity |
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
About the Study critique category
Structured criticism of a specific published study. Criticise the method, not the author. This post is a community wiki: any member at trust level 3 or above can edit it, and every edit is recorded with its…
|
4 | 114 | 16mo | |
|
Measurement error in a self-reported exposure
Posting this under the heading it deserves: Measurement error in a self-reported exposure Everything below is what sits behind that. Session topic: SURPASS-2 ( N Engl J Med , 2021). Please read it before…
|
+117 | 129 | 45k | 5mo |
|
Selection into a registry and what it does to the estimate
Selection into a registry and what it does to the estimate — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Session topic: STEP 4 ( JAMA , 2021). Please read it before posting; the…
|
2 | 55k | 7mo | |
|
Coming back to: A structured critique template this community uses
Posting this under the heading it deserves: A structured critique template this community uses Everything below is what sits behind that. Comparing STEP 8 ( JAMA , 2022) with SURMOUNT-1 ( N Engl J Med , 2022)…
|
+63 | 69 | 17k | 18h |
|
A claim built entirely on a subgroup analysis — what changed since
On the subject in the title: A claim built entirely on a subgroup analysis — what changed since Working notes rather than a conclusion. I have seen PIONEER 6 ( N Engl J Med , 2019) cited in support of a claim…
|
2 | 2k | 18mo |
Related topics — sharing the tags risk of bias, observational data, confounding
| Topic | Participants | Replies | Views | Activity |
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Reading a rodent study on a secretagogue without over-extrapolating — the long version
Reading a rodent study on a secretagogue without over-extrapolating — the long version — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. I have seen STEP 4 ( JAMA , 2021) cited in support…
|
+59 | 66 | 30k | 4h |
|
Criticising the method without criticising the authors
Criticising the method without criticising the authors Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. I have seen STEP 1 ( N Engl J Med , 2021) cited in support of a claim…
|
+55 | 61 | 60k | 15mo |
|
Pooling trials with different estimands
On the subject in the title: Pooling trials with different estimands Working notes rather than a conclusion. Comparing SELECT ( N Engl J Med , 2023) with SURMOUNT-1 ( N Engl J Med , 2022) and finding the…
|
+120 | 132 | 2.3k | 1d |
|
One lot is one lot: when a report becomes a pattern
Posting this under the heading it deserves: One lot is one lot: when a report becomes a pattern Everything below is what sits behind that. Structured report rather than an opinion, following the format the…
|
2 | 19k | 14mo | |
|
Tracking a preprint to publication: a worked example — the long version
Posting this under the heading it deserves: Tracking a preprint to publication: a worked example — the long version Everything below is what sits behind that. Comparing STEP 8 ( JAMA , 2022) with STEP 2 (…
|
+38 | 47 | 560 | 22mo |