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Coming back to: Why a preprint's supplementary material is often the best part

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g.danquahTL2 Moderator20 Feb 2026#1

Why a preprint's supplementary material is often the best part — that is the question, and I have not found it answered plainly anywhere I have looked.

Comparing SURPASS-2 (N Engl J Med, 2021) with STEP 4 (JAMA, 2021) and finding the comparison harder than it looks.

Different populations, different durations, different endpoints defined slightly differently, and in one case a different estimand. People compare the headline percentages anyway, including me until recently.

Is there a defensible way to put these side by side, or is the honest answer that there is not and we should stop?

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i.balogunTL2 Moderator23 Feb 2026#2

How to cite a preprint: author last name, first initial, et al. Title. Server name [preprint]. Posted date. Doi. Include the server name and note that it is a preprint.

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dexa_twice_yearlyTL3Regular26 Feb 2026#3
i.balogun, post #2: How to cite a preprint: author last name, first initial, et al. Title. Server name [preprint]. Posted date. Doi. Include the server name and note that it is a preprint. Go to post

This follows post #2 rather than contradicting it.

Do not build anything on a preprint that you would mind rebuilding: if the preprint later changes substantially in revision or shows different results when published, your reasoning based on the preprint needs to be revised.

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h.friskTL2 Moderator1 Mar 2026#4

I read post #2 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Preprints for speed: some important preliminary findings are posted as preprints to disseminate quickly. That speed is useful but comes at the cost of not yet having survived peer review. The trade-off is real.

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bias_varianceTL4Biostatistician3 Mar 2026#5

Always label it as a preprint in any discussion. A preprint is not a published trial and it is not settled knowledge. Use it for hypothesis generation and for understanding emerging evidence, not for drawing definitive conclusions.

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m.steinerTL2 Moderator5 Mar 2026#6

On post #2 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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f.demirTL2Regular7 Mar 2026#7
h.frisk, post #4: I read post #2 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Preprints for speed: some important preliminary findings are posted as preprints to disseminate quickly. That speed is useful but comes at the cost of not yet having survived peer review. The trade-off is real. Go to post

Picking up post #4: that is the part I would want checked first.

Discussing preprints in this community: bring them in for early discussion, label them clearly as preprints, invite peer critique, and be prepared for the discussion to differ if the paper is later published differently.

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a.iyerTL2 Moderator9 Mar 2026#8
m.steiner, post #6: On post #2 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound. Go to post

Unrefereed work is not worthless. A great deal of it survives review substantially unchanged. It is also the case that the version appearing in a journal frequently has different numbers, and the changes are not random — they tend to be in the direction of a smaller effect and a more careful claim.

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compounding_ruthTL4Pharmacist11 Mar 2026#9
f.demir, post #7: Picking up post #4: that is the part I would want checked first. Discussing preprints in this community: bring them in for early discussion, label them clearly as preprints, invite peer critique, and be prepared for the discussion to differ if the paper is later published differently. Go to post

post #8 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Check whether it was later published: searching for the preprint's first author and keywords in PubMed might find a published version. The published version is the stronger citation if it exists.

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h.delgadoTL2 Moderator13 Mar 2026 · edited#10
compounding_ruth, post #9: post #8 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Check whether it was later published: searching for the preprint's first author and keywords in PubMed might find a published version. The published version is the stronger citation if it exists. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #6 runs together.

What changes between preprint and publication: authors respond to reviewer comments, re-analyse data, correct errors found in peer review, and sometimes report different results from updated analyses. The published version is not the same as the preprint.

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d.petrescuTL2 Moderator15 Mar 2026#11

I read post #9 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Server repositories: medRxiv for medicine, bioRxiv for biology. Preprints on these servers are time-stamped and have DOIs even if they are later published elsewhere. Citing the preprint with its DOI is appropriate while noting it is unpublished.

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j.hartmannTL2 Moderator16 Mar 2026#12

Peer review as a filter: published papers have survived a review process that rejects many submissions. Preprints have not. Neither guarantees correctness, but publication history is a difference worth noting.

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b.restrepoTL2 Moderator20 Mar 2026#14
g.danquah, post #1: Why a preprint's supplementary material is often the best part — that is the question, and I have not found it answered plainly anywhere I have looked. Comparing SURPASS-2 ( N Engl J Med , 2021) with STEP 4 ( JAMA , 2021) and finding the comparison harder than it looks. Different populations, different durations, different endpoints… Go to post

post #13 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Always label it as a preprint in any discussion. A preprint is not a published trial and it is not settled knowledge. Use it for hypothesis generation and for understanding emerging evidence, not for drawing definitive conclusions.

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buffer_marginTL3Regular22 Mar 2026#15

How to cite a preprint: author last name, first initial, et al. Title. Server name [preprint]. Posted date. Doi. Include the server name and note that it is a preprint.

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k.agyemanTL2 Moderator23 Mar 2026#16

Peer review as a filter: published papers have survived a review process that rejects many submissions. Preprints have not. Neither guarantees correctness, but publication history is a difference worth noting.

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n.torrenceTL3Regular25 Mar 2026#17
m.steiner, post #6: On post #2 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound. Go to post

On post #13 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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mi.almeidaTL2 Moderator27 Mar 2026 · edited#18
i.balogun, post #2: How to cite a preprint: author last name, first initial, et al. Title. Server name [preprint]. Posted date. Doi. Include the server name and note that it is a preprint. Go to post

post #17 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Do not build anything on a preprint that you would mind rebuilding: if the preprint later changes substantially in revision or shows different results when published, your reasoning based on the preprint needs to be revised.

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j.petrovTL2 Moderator28 Mar 2026 · edited#19

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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KLindqvistTL4 Moderator30 Mar 2026#20

This follows post #17 rather than contradicting it.

What changes between preprint and publication: authors respond to reviewer comments, re-analyse data, correct errors found in peer review, and sometimes report different results from updated analyses. The published version is not the same as the preprint.

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n.lehtinenTL2 Moderator31 Mar 2026#21

This follows post #18 rather than contradicting it.

Preprints for speed: some important preliminary findings are posted as preprints to disseminate quickly. That speed is useful but comes at the cost of not yet having survived peer review. The trade-off is real.

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a.ibarraTL2 Moderator2 Apr 2026#22
n.torrence, post #17: On post #13 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive. Go to post

Discussing preprints in this community: bring them in for early discussion, label them clearly as preprints, invite peer critique, and be prepared for the discussion to differ if the paper is later published differently.

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k.roosTL2 Moderator3 Apr 2026#23
dexa_twice_yearly, post #3: This follows post #2 rather than contradicting it. Do not build anything on a preprint that you would mind rebuilding: if the preprint later changes substantially in revision or shows different results when published, your reasoning based on the preprint needs to be revised. Go to post

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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l.dziedzicTL2 Moderator5 Apr 2026#24

Server repositories: medRxiv for medicine, bioRxiv for biology. Preprints on these servers are time-stamped and have DOIs even if they are later published elsewhere. Citing the preprint with its DOI is appropriate while noting it is unpublished.

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d.oyelaranTL3Pharmacist6 Apr 2026 · edited#25

Unrefereed work is not worthless. A great deal of it survives review substantially unchanged. It is also the case that the version appearing in a journal frequently has different numbers, and the changes are not random — they tend to be in the direction of a smaller effect and a more careful claim.

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h.vargaTL2 Moderator8 Apr 2026#26

Unrefereed work is not worthless. A great deal of it survives review substantially unchanged. It is also the case that the version appearing in a journal frequently has different numbers, and the changes are not random — they tend to be in the direction of a smaller effect and a more careful claim.

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KLindqvistTL4 Moderator9 Apr 2026#27
m.steiner, post #6: On post #2 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound. Go to post

Peer review as a filter: published papers have survived a review process that rejects many submissions. Preprints have not. Neither guarantees correctness, but publication history is a difference worth noting.

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k.laurentTL2 Moderator11 Apr 2026#28

On post #24 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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i.brobergTL2 Moderator12 Apr 2026#29
a.ibarra, post #22: Discussing preprints in this community: bring them in for early discussion, label them clearly as preprints, invite peer critique, and be prepared for the discussion to differ if the paper is later published differently. Go to post

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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KnowltonTL3Regular14 Apr 2026#30
g.danquah, post #1: Why a preprint's supplementary material is often the best part — that is the question, and I have not found it answered plainly anywhere I have looked. Comparing SURPASS-2 ( N Engl J Med , 2021) with STEP 4 ( JAMA , 2021) and finding the comparison harder than it looks. Different populations, different durations, different endpoints… Go to post

How to cite a preprint: author last name, first initial, et al. Title. Server name [preprint]. Posted date. Doi. Include the server name and note that it is a preprint.

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