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Oxidation pathways for methionine and tryptophan posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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w.verhoevenTL2 Moderator28 Dec 2024 · edited#31

Acetate content: counter-ion content. Trifluoroacetate or acetate from the salt form of the peptide. Affects mass calculations and should be stated on a complete certificate.

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s.grigorescuTL2Member28 Dec 2024#32
DOdendaal, post #14: Residual solvents: traces of solvents used in purification. These are usually tested by gas chromatography, not by HPLC. A specification for residual solvents should be stated separately from the purity. Go to post

post #31 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Residual solvents: traces of solvents used in purification. These are usually tested by gas chromatography, not by HPLC. A specification for residual solvents should be stated separately from the purity.

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g.tammTL2 Moderator28 Dec 2024#33
unit_conversion, post #4: Truncation products: fragments from incomplete synthesis or from degradation. They elute quite differently from the intact peptide because they are much smaller and have different hydrophobicity. They are usually well separated. Go to post

Coming back to post #31, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Dimer and higher-order multimers: two or more peptide molecules bonded together. They appear at double the mass and higher. They may or may not separate from the monomer on HPLC depending on the method.

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NicolaidesTL3Regular28 Dec 2024#34

Related substances: compounds chemically related to the target peptide but not the target peptide itself. The standard method separates them and reports them as area percent. How related they can be before they exceed specification is a regulatory question.

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d.achebeTL2 Moderator28 Dec 2024#35

Worth separating two things that post #31 runs together.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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NorringtonTL3Regular28 Dec 2024#36

post #35 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Truncation products: fragments from incomplete synthesis or from degradation. They elute quite differently from the intact peptide because they are much smaller and have different hydrophobicity. They are usually well separated.

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h.krastevTL2 Moderator29 Dec 2024#37
eire_reader, post #8: I read post #6 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Acetate content: counter-ion content. Trifluoroacetate or acetate from the salt form of the peptide. Affects mass calculations and should be stated on a complete certificate. Go to post

Deletion sequences (incomplete coupling during synthesis): lower in mass by one residue. Chromatographically they usually elute earlier or later depending on the residue's hydrophobicity. They are the most common impurity in solid-phase synthesis.

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DKwiatkowskiTL3Regular29 Dec 2024#38

Off-target structures: if the sequence synthesis goes wrong, a completely different amino acid can be incorporated. The resulting off-target peptide is a structural isomer with the same mass but a different sequence. No chromatographic purity method detects this without a reference standard.

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s.adebayoTL2 Moderator29 Dec 2024#39
g.tamm, post #33: Coming back to post #31, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Dimer and higher-order multimers: two or more peptide molecules bonded together. They appear at double the mass and higher. They may or may not separate from the monomer on HPLC depending on the method. Go to post

On post #35 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Oxidation at methionine and tryptophan: adds 16 per oxygen. Usually elutes earlier. Oxidation is common in storage, especially if the solution is exposed to light or if antioxidants are not present.

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formulary_notesTL3Regular29 Dec 2024#40
f.sjoberg, post #25: This follows post #22 rather than contradicting it. Related substances: compounds chemically related to the target peptide but not the target peptide itself. The standard method separates them and reports them as area percent. How related they can be before they exceed specification is a regulatory question. Go to post

Deamidation at asparagine and glutamine: adds 1 approximately. Frequently appears as a close-eluting pair. It is a chemical modification that occurs during storage.

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a.cardosoTL2 Moderator29 Dec 2024#41

Incomplete deprotection: mass higher by the protecting group mass. Usually markedly later eluting. A synthesis artifact from incomplete removal of protecting groups.

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buffer_reviewTL3Regular29 Dec 2024#42

Aggregates: multiples of the monomer mass. May not elute at all under a standard reversed-phase method. A species that does not come off the column does not appear in the area percentage.

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a.norgaardTL2 Moderator29 Dec 2024#43
dr_okonkwo, post #26: I read post #24 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Picking up post #40: that is the part I would want checked first.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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trough_indexTL3Regular29 Dec 2024#44

Coming back to post #42, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Deletion sequences (incomplete coupling during synthesis): lower in mass by one residue. Chromatographically they usually elute earlier or later depending on the residue's hydrophobicity. They are the most common impurity in solid-phase synthesis.

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ak.kravchenkoTL2 Moderator29 Dec 2024#45

Oxidation at methionine and tryptophan: adds 16 per oxygen. Usually elutes earlier. Oxidation is common in storage, especially if the solution is exposed to light or if antioxidants are not present.

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ambient_draftTL3Regular29 Dec 2024#46
m.perrin, post #23: For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use. Go to post

Deamidation at asparagine and glutamine: adds 1 approximately. Frequently appears as a close-eluting pair. It is a chemical modification that occurs during storage.

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mi.amankwahTL2 Moderator29 Dec 2024#47

This follows post #44 rather than contradicting it.

Incomplete deprotection: mass higher by the protecting group mass. Usually markedly later eluting. A synthesis artifact from incomplete removal of protecting groups.

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LJankowiakTL3Regular30 Dec 2024#48

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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c.nybergTL2 Moderator30 Dec 2024#49

post #48 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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PWendelboeTL1Member30 Dec 2024#50
c.okafor, post #30: Coming back to post #28, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Disulfide formation: if a peptide contains cysteine, it can form disulfide bonds with itself or with other molecules. Under oxidising conditions multiple species appear. Reducing conditions (like DTT) convert them back. Go to post

On post #46 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Acetate content: counter-ion content. Trifluoroacetate or acetate from the salt form of the peptide. Affects mass calculations and should be stated on a complete certificate.

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d.oyelaranTL3Pharmacist30 Dec 2024#51

Aggregates: multiples of the monomer mass. May not elute at all under a standard reversed-phase method. A species that does not come off the column does not appear in the area percentage.

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c.tullochTL2 Moderator30 Dec 2024#52
s.karlsen_rph, post #24: Truncation products: fragments from incomplete synthesis or from degradation. They elute quite differently from the intact peptide because they are much smaller and have different hydrophobicity. They are usually well separated. Go to post

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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KLindqvistTL4 Moderator30 Dec 2024 · edited#53

Worth separating two things that post #49 runs together.

Residual solvents: traces of solvents used in purification. These are usually tested by gas chromatography, not by HPLC. A specification for residual solvents should be stated separately from the purity.

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f.kimaniTL2 Moderator30 Dec 2024#54

Related substances: compounds chemically related to the target peptide but not the target peptide itself. The standard method separates them and reports them as area percent. How related they can be before they exceed specification is a regulatory question.

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l.wikstromTL2 Moderator30 Dec 2024#55

Disulfide formation: if a peptide contains cysteine, it can form disulfide bonds with itself or with other molecules. Under oxidising conditions multiple species appear. Reducing conditions (like DTT) convert them back.

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v.nascimentoTL2 Moderator30 Dec 2024#56
s.grigorescu, post #32: post #31 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Residual solvents: traces of solvents used in purification. These are usually tested by gas chromatography, not by HPLC. A specification for residual solvents should be stated separately from the purity. Go to post

Picking up post #53: that is the part I would want checked first.

Dimer and higher-order multimers: two or more peptide molecules bonded together. They appear at double the mass and higher. They may or may not separate from the monomer on HPLC depending on the method.

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n.rahimiTL2 Moderator30 Dec 2024#57

Truncation products: fragments from incomplete synthesis or from degradation. They elute quite differently from the intact peptide because they are much smaller and have different hydrophobicity. They are usually well separated.

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p.amankwahTL2 Moderator30 Dec 2024#58

Off-target structures: if the sequence synthesis goes wrong, a completely different amino acid can be incorporated. The resulting off-target peptide is a structural isomer with the same mass but a different sequence. No chromatographic purity method detects this without a reference standard.

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i.coelhoTL2 Moderator31 Dec 2024#59
c.tulloch, post #52: For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use. Go to post

I read post #57 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Deletion sequences (incomplete coupling during synthesis): lower in mass by one residue. Chromatographically they usually elute earlier or later depending on the residue's hydrophobicity. They are the most common impurity in solid-phase synthesis.

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d.petrescuTL2 Moderator31 Dec 2024#60
formulary_notes, post #40: Deamidation at asparagine and glutamine: adds 1 approximately. Frequently appears as a close-eluting pair. It is a chemical modification that occurs during storage. Go to post

Off-target structures: if the sequence synthesis goes wrong, a completely different amino acid can be incorporated. The resulting off-target peptide is a structural isomer with the same mass but a different sequence. No chromatographic purity method detects this without a reference standard.

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