The Peptide CommonsEst. May 2024
Independent. We sell nothing and are affiliated with no manufacturer or pharmacy. Every moderation action is logged in public
Topic summary

SNAC and the mechanism of oral peptide absorption — the long version

This is a generated summary. It shows the 5 most-liked posts from a topic of 37, in their original order, with the accepted answer included where one exists. It is a reading aid and it will miss nuance — the full topic is the record.
RM
r.marsdenTL3Regular6 Sep 2024#1

SNAC and the mechanism of oral peptide absorption — the long version Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did.

I have seen SURMOUNT-OSA (N Engl J Med, 2024) cited in support of a claim I do not think it supports, twice this month, so I would like to work through what it actually shows.

My reading is that the trial is sound for its own question and is being stretched to answer a different one. I might be wrong about that, which is why this is a topic rather than a correction.

What I would like from this discussion: someone who disagrees with me to say why, with the section of the paper they are relying on.

31 likes 23mo
PB
p.boatengTL2 Moderator4 Oct 2024#4
m.adebayo, post #2: Orforglipron is a small molecule, not a peptide. That changes almost everything: no absorption enhancer required, no fasting window, chemical synthesis instead of peptide synthesis, different analytical methods entirely. Data from peptide agonists does not transfer. Go to post

The SOUL trial: cardiovascular outcomes trial for oral semaglutide in people with type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease or chronic kidney disease. It demonstrates that benefit appears to be a property of the molecule and exposure, not specific to the route.

33 likes in reply to #2 22mo
RM
r.mwangiTL2 Moderator30 Oct 2024#8
r.chukwu, post #6: Why an oral formulation is a formulation achievement: the molecule is the same but the tablet is novel. Getting a peptide across the gastric epithelium at usable bioavailability is a chemistry problem, not a dose problem. Go to post

Picking up post #5: that is the part I would want checked first.

Oral bioavailability is variable between people. Some people absorb well; others absorb poorly. That inter-individual variation is larger than with injectables and is one reason the trial data for oral formulations receives different treatment.

24 likes in reply to #6 21mo
K
KnowltonTL3Regular16 Nov 2024#11

post #10 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

33 likes 20mo
LV
l.vukovicTL2 Moderator25 Feb 2025#32

Oral versus injectable exposure: comparing a 14 mg oral dose with a 0.5 mg injectable dose is comparing apples to a different fruit. The oral bioavailability is low enough that dose numbers are an order of magnitude different and not directly comparable.

30 likes 17mo

Read the full topic (37 posts)

Suggested topics

TopicParticipantsRepliesViewsActivity
Why oral semaglutide needs an absorption enhancer at all
Why oral semaglutide needs an absorption enhancer at all I have a specific reason for asking rather than idle curiosity, and the context is below. I have seen STEP 1 ( N Engl J Med , 2021) cited in support of…
LSHSHBMSAK+59 65 61k 7mo
Second pass at: Orforglipron as a non-peptide: what changes when the molecule is small
Second pass at: Orforglipron as a non-peptide: what changes when the molecule is small Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. Comparing SURPASS-4 ( Lancet , 2021)…
CFMASD 2 17k 6h
Oral semaglutide bioavailability and its variability between people
Posting this under the heading it deserves: Oral semaglutide bioavailability and its variability between people Everything below is what sits behind that. I have seen SURMOUNT-4 ( JAMA , 2024) cited in…
SHNKITAKAD+44 48 574 3mo
PIONEER 6 cardiovascular safety, read as a safety trial rather than an efficacy one — does this still hold?
PIONEER 6 cardiovascular safety, read as a safety trial rather than an efficacy one — does this still hold? — that is the question, and I have not found it answered plainly anywhere I have looked. Session…
CAMMMLRRM+23 27 4.8k 22mo
Why an oral GLP-1 agonist is a formulation achievement more than a chemistry one — one year on
Asking directly, because I could not find a straight answer: Why an oral GLP-1 agonist is a formulation achievement more than a chemistry one — one year on I have seen SURMOUNT-1 ( N Engl J Med , 2022) cited…
EFIEBMMNB+16 20 18k 2mo

Related topics — sharing the tags oral semaglutide, randomised trial, orforglipron

TopicParticipantsRepliesViewsActivity
SURMOUNT-4 and what withdrawal data does and does not tell an individual
SURMOUNT-4 and what withdrawal data does and does not tell an individual — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Comparing SURMOUNT-2 ( Lancet , 2023) with STEP 8 ( JAMA , 2022)…
NSLMAADKA 4 42k 11mo
The SOUL trial and oral semaglutide cardiovascular outcomes
Posting this under the heading it deserves: The SOUL trial and oral semaglutide cardiovascular outcomes Everything below is what sits behind that. Session topic: SCALE ( N Engl J Med , 2015). Please read it…
YMNSMH 2 7.1k 9h
Coming back to: What the published dose-response for semaglutide actually looks like above 2.4 mg
The question in the title: What the published dose-response for semaglutide actually looks like above 2.4 mg I will give what I have already checked below so nobody repeats it. I have seen LEADER ( N Engl J…
SCHJSATKO+23 27 9.9k 1mo
Subgroup analyses: pre-specified versus discovered
Subgroup analyses: pre-specified versus discovered — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Comparing SURMOUNT-2 ( Lancet , 2023) with SURPASS-4 ( Lancet , 2021) and finding the…
JHAEI 2 27k 1d
Journal club: PIONEER 6 as a safety trial
Posting this under the heading it deserves: Journal club: PIONEER 6 as a safety trial Everything below is what sits behind that. Session topic: SURMOUNT-4 ( JAMA , 2024). Please read it before posting; the…
SCMONMWSH+14 18 262 5mo