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Food noise reducing and the disorientation that can follow

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journalclub_wrenTL3Regular27 Aug 2024#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: Food noise reducing and the disorientation that can follow Everything below is what sits behind that.

General question, not a request for advice about my own care — I know the difference and I would rather be told to see my prescriber than get an answer that pretends otherwise.

I have a panel in front of me with one value outside the reference interval and everything else within it. My instinct is that a single out-of-range result on a single draw is close to uninformative, and I would like to understand how the people who read these professionally think about that.

What I am actually asking is how to tell an interesting result from an uninteresting one before booking an appointment about it.

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k.asanteTL2 Moderator1 Sep 2024#2

On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Mood and anxiety: mood changes and anxiety are reported by some people. Baseline mental health status matters for risk. Someone with a history of depression should plan closer monitoring.

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crossref_checkTL3Wiki editor4 Sep 2024#3
k.asante, post #2: On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Mood and anxiety: mood changes and anxiety are reported by some people. Baseline mental health status matters for risk. Someone with a history of depression should plan closer monitoring. Go to post

Sleep and mental health: these compounds can affect sleep for some people. Sleep deprivation worsens mood and anxiety. Addressing sleep separately from mood matters.

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j.falkTL2 Moderator7 Sep 2024#4
crossref_check, post #3: Sleep and mental health: these compounds can affect sleep for some people. Sleep deprivation worsens mood and anxiety. Addressing sleep separately from mood matters. Go to post

Substance use: if someone has a history of substance use, appetite suppression and weight loss can shift thinking about body and substance use. This is a risk factor worth acknowledging.

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VPoulsenTL3Regular9 Sep 2024#5

Identity and self-image: for some people, weight and body size are central to identity. Large change to body size can affect identity. This is not pathological; it is human.

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i.wojcikTL2 Moderator12 Sep 2024#6

Worth separating two things that post #2 runs together.

Motivation and expectation: starting with clear motivation and realistic expectations about what will happen and when helps with psychological adjustment.

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bench_entryTL3Regular14 Sep 2024#7
j.falk, post #4: Substance use: if someone has a history of substance use, appetite suppression and weight loss can shift thinking about body and substance use. This is a risk factor worth acknowledging. Go to post

This follows post #4 rather than contradicting it.

Body image and weight loss: large weight loss changes a person's relationship with their body in ways that can be psychologically complex. Some of that is positive; some might involve adjustment or processing.

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b.friskTL2 Moderator17 Sep 2024 · edited#8

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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buffer_sheetTL3Regular19 Sep 2024#9

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation. Appetite suppression might trigger relapse. Specialist input is prudent.

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f.lindholmTL2 Moderator21 Sep 2024#10

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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r.jhannsdttirTL3Regular23 Sep 2024#11
j.falk, post #4: Substance use: if someone has a history of substance use, appetite suppression and weight loss can shift thinking about body and substance use. This is a risk factor worth acknowledging. Go to post

Social and relationship impacts: weight change affects how others perceive and interact with a person. Those impacts are real and can be psychologically significant.

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v.bergstromTL2 Moderator25 Sep 2024#12

When to involve a professional: if mood changes are persistent, deepen over weeks, or interfere with function, involving a mental health professional is appropriate. These are not trivialities to ignore.

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VPoulsenTL3Regular27 Sep 2024#13

On post #9 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

When to involve a professional: if mood changes are persistent, deepen over weeks, or interfere with function, involving a mental health professional is appropriate. These are not trivialities to ignore.

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p.krastevTL2 Moderator29 Sep 2024#14

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation. Appetite suppression might trigger relapse. Specialist input is prudent.

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h.almeidaTL2Member1 Oct 2024#15
VPoulsen, post #5: Identity and self-image: for some people, weight and body size are central to identity. Large change to body size can affect identity. This is not pathological; it is human. Go to post

Mood and anxiety: mood changes and anxiety are reported by some people. Baseline mental health status matters for risk. Someone with a history of depression should plan closer monitoring.

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p.novakTL2 Moderator3 Oct 2024 · edited#16
journalclub_wren, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: Food noise reducing and the disorientation that can follow Everything below is what sits behind that. General question, not a request for advice about my own care — I know the difference and I would rather be told to see my prescriber than get an answer that pretends otherwise. I have a panel… Go to post

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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t.kulkarniTL3Regular5 Oct 2024#17

Worth separating two things that post #13 runs together.

Substance use: if someone has a history of substance use, appetite suppression and weight loss can shift thinking about body and substance use. This is a risk factor worth acknowledging.

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a.vermeulenTL2 Moderator7 Oct 2024#18

post #17 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Sleep and mental health: these compounds can affect sleep for some people. Sleep deprivation worsens mood and anxiety. Addressing sleep separately from mood matters.

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a.schaefferTL2Member9 Oct 2024 · edited#19

Coming back to post #17, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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h.kimaniTL2 Moderator11 Oct 2024#20
a.schaeffer, post #19: Coming back to post #17, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive. Go to post

Identity and self-image: for some people, weight and body size are central to identity. Large change to body size can affect identity. This is not pathological; it is human.

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MSaarinenTL3Regular13 Oct 2024#21

Body image and weight loss: large weight loss changes a person's relationship with their body in ways that can be psychologically complex. Some of that is positive; some might involve adjustment or processing.

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i.rasmussenTL2 Moderator15 Oct 2024#22

Social and relationship impacts: weight change affects how others perceive and interact with a person. Those impacts are real and can be psychologically significant.

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s.poulsenTL3Regular16 Oct 2024#23

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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e.krastevTL2 Moderator18 Oct 2024#24
f.lindholm, post #10: Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound. Go to post

On post #20 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Motivation and expectation: starting with clear motivation and realistic expectations about what will happen and when helps with psychological adjustment.

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e.mikkelsenTL2Member20 Oct 2024#25

This follows post #22 rather than contradicting it.

Support and community: some people process weight change through community (online or in-person). Others prefer privacy. Knowing what you need and seeking it proactively helps.

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e.tammTL2 Moderator22 Oct 2024#26

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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r.torrenceTL2Member23 Oct 2024#27
k.asante, post #2: On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Mood and anxiety: mood changes and anxiety are reported by some people. Baseline mental health status matters for risk. Someone with a history of depression should plan closer monitoring. Go to post

Sleep and mental health: these compounds can affect sleep for some people. Sleep deprivation worsens mood and anxiety. Addressing sleep separately from mood matters.

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d.nwosuTL2 Moderator25 Oct 2024#28
b.frisk, post #8: Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Substance use: if someone has a history of substance use, appetite suppression and weight loss can shift thinking about body and substance use. This is a risk factor worth acknowledging.

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a.weissTL2 Moderator27 Oct 2024#29
e.krastev, post #24: On post #20 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Motivation and expectation: starting with clear motivation and realistic expectations about what will happen and when helps with psychological adjustment. Go to post

Picking up post #26: that is the part I would want checked first.

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation. Appetite suppression might trigger relapse. Specialist input is prudent.

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k.roosTL2 Moderator28 Oct 2024#30

Coming back to post #28, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

When to involve a professional: if mood changes are persistent, deepen over weeks, or interfere with function, involving a mental health professional is appropriate. These are not trivialities to ignore.

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