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Measurement error in home scales, with a worked standard deviation — the long version posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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e.kjeldsenTL2Member13 Feb 2026#31
e.ndiaye, post #18: Confidence intervals: rather than a single point estimate, a range of plausible values. A narrow interval means precise measurement; a wide interval means measurement is imprecise. Wider intervals (more uncertainty) are honest about limitation. Go to post

Regression to the mean: if you select people with extreme values (very high or very low), their next measurement is often less extreme just by chance. This can look like a treatment effect when it is just statistics.

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p.lindqvistTL2 Moderator14 Feb 2026#32

Confounding: a third variable explains an apparent association. In randomised data, randomisation balances confounders. In observational data, confounders can be adjusted for but unknown ones cannot.

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crossover_entryTL3Regular16 Feb 2026#33

On post #29 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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br.wikstromTL2 Moderator17 Feb 2026#34

post #33 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Power and sample size: a study might be too small to detect a real effect (low power). Sample size calculations help determine how many participants are needed to detect an effect of a given magnitude.

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gradient_reviewTL2Member18 Feb 2026#35
sa.rasmussen, post #24: Absence of evidence and evidence of absence: if a study is small and finds no effect, that is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. A larger study might find an effect that a small study missed. Go to post

Effect sizes: the magnitude of a difference, not just whether it is statistically significant. A difference that is significant (p<0.05) might be too small to matter. A large effect might not be significant if sample size is small.

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m.marchettiTL2 Moderator20 Feb 2026 · edited#36

P-values and significance: p<0.05 means the data would be surprising if the null hypothesis were true, not that the null hypothesis is false. A non-significant p-value does not mean "no effect".

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methods_draftTL2Member21 Feb 2026#37

Worth separating two things that post #33 runs together.

Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a false positive by random chance increases. That is why pre-specifying the primary hypothesis matters.

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k.ogunleyeTL2 Moderator23 Feb 2026#38
s.karlsen_rph, post #1: On the subject in the title: Measurement error in home scales, with a worked standard deviation — the long version Working notes rather than a conclusion. Session topic: SURMOUNT-1 ( N Engl J Med , 2022). Please read it before posting; the discussion is much better when everyone has. The question I would like us to start with is what… Go to post

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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cannula_driftTL3Regular24 Feb 2026#39

Coming back to post #37, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Confidence intervals: rather than a single point estimate, a range of plausible values. A narrow interval means precise measurement; a wide interval means measurement is imprecise. Wider intervals (more uncertainty) are honest about limitation.

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sa.vogelTL2 Moderator25 Feb 2026#40
c.falk, post #6: Effect sizes: the magnitude of a difference, not just whether it is statistically significant. A difference that is significant (p Go to post

Picking up post #37: that is the part I would want checked first.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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c.nybergTL2 Moderator27 Feb 2026#41
s.chowdhury, post #27: Number needed to treat: how many people need to be treated to prevent one bad outcome or achieve one good outcome. More intuitive than relative risk reduction. Go to post

Confidence intervals: rather than a single point estimate, a range of plausible values. A narrow interval means precise measurement; a wide interval means measurement is imprecise. Wider intervals (more uncertainty) are honest about limitation.

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PWendelboeTL1Member28 Feb 2026#42
methods_draft, post #37: Worth separating two things that post #33 runs together. Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a false positive by random chance increases. That is why pre-specifying the primary hypothesis matters. Go to post

Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a false positive by random chance increases. That is why pre-specifying the primary hypothesis matters.

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t.marchettiTL2 Moderator1 Mar 2026#43

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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l.sarkissianTL2Member3 Mar 2026#44

Worth separating two things that post #40 runs together.

Effect sizes: the magnitude of a difference, not just whether it is statistically significant. A difference that is significant (p<0.05) might be too small to matter. A large effect might not be significant if sample size is small.

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n.ramosTL2 Moderator4 Mar 2026 · edited#45
formulary_notes, post #25: post #24 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Relative risk and odds ratios: both compare the rate in one group to the rate in another. Relative risk is easier to understand. Odds ratios are standard in many analyses but can be misinterpreted. Go to post

Picking up post #42: that is the part I would want checked first.

Number needed to treat: how many people need to be treated to prevent one bad outcome or achieve one good outcome. More intuitive than relative risk reduction.

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IHollingworthTL2Member5 Mar 2026#46

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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r.sobczakTL2 Moderator7 Mar 2026#47

P-values and significance: p<0.05 means the data would be surprising if the null hypothesis were true, not that the null hypothesis is false. A non-significant p-value does not mean "no effect".

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e.almeidaTL2Member8 Mar 2026#48

Absence of evidence and evidence of absence: if a study is small and finds no effect, that is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. A larger study might find an effect that a small study missed.

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ni.kravchenkoTL2 Moderator9 Mar 2026#49
a.nyberg, post #22: Worth separating two things that post #18 runs together. Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a false positive by random chance increases. That is why pre-specifying the primary hypothesis matters. Go to post

This follows post #46 rather than contradicting it.

Power and sample size: a study might be too small to detect a real effect (low power). Sample size calculations help determine how many participants are needed to detect an effect of a given magnitude.

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RodriguesTL3Regular11 Mar 2026#50

I read post #48 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Relative risk and odds ratios: both compare the rate in one group to the rate in another. Relative risk is easier to understand. Odds ratios are standard in many analyses but can be misinterpreted.

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d.fontaineTL2 Moderator12 Mar 2026#51

Confounding: a third variable explains an apparent association. In randomised data, randomisation balances confounders. In observational data, confounders can be adjusted for but unknown ones cannot.

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k.salinasTL2 Moderator13 Mar 2026#52

Regression to the mean: if you select people with extreme values (very high or very low), their next measurement is often less extreme just by chance. This can look like a treatment effect when it is just statistics.

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KLindqvistTL4 Moderator15 Mar 2026 · edited#53

I read post #51 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Absence of evidence and evidence of absence: if a study is small and finds no effect, that is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. A larger study might find an effect that a small study missed.

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i.bakkenTL2 Moderator16 Mar 2026#54
c.nyberg, post #41: Confidence intervals: rather than a single point estimate, a range of plausible values. A narrow interval means precise measurement; a wide interval means measurement is imprecise. Wider intervals (more uncertainty) are honest about limitation. Go to post

This follows post #51 rather than contradicting it.

P-values and significance: p<0.05 means the data would be surprising if the null hypothesis were true, not that the null hypothesis is false. A non-significant p-value does not mean "no effect".

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s.karlsen_rphTL317 Mar 2026#55
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k.laurentTL2 Moderator18 Mar 2026#56

post #55 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Confounding: a third variable explains an apparent association. In randomised data, randomisation balances confounders. In observational data, confounders can be adjusted for but unknown ones cannot.

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v.szaboTL3Analytical chemist20 Mar 2026#57

Coming back to post #55, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Effect sizes: the magnitude of a difference, not just whether it is statistically significant. A difference that is significant (p<0.05) might be too small to matter. A large effect might not be significant if sample size is small.

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o.vukovicTL2 Moderator21 Mar 2026#58

Power and sample size: a study might be too small to detect a real effect (low power). Sample size calculations help determine how many participants are needed to detect an effect of a given magnitude.

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a.finnegan_rdTL2Dietitian22 Mar 2026#59
policy_reader, post #19: Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #55 runs together.

Confidence intervals: rather than a single point estimate, a range of plausible values. A narrow interval means precise measurement; a wide interval means measurement is imprecise. Wider intervals (more uncertainty) are honest about limitation.

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v.kirchnerTL2 Moderator23 Mar 2026#60

post #59 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a false positive by random chance increases. That is why pre-specifying the primary hypothesis matters.

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