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Measurement error in home scales, with a worked standard deviation — the long version posts 91–106

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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f.lindholmTL2 Moderator29 Apr 2026#91
k.laurent, post #56: post #55 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Confounding: a third variable explains an apparent association. In randomised data, randomisation balances confounders. In observational data, confounders can be adjusted for but unknown ones cannot. Go to post

Absence of evidence and evidence of absence: if a study is small and finds no effect, that is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. A larger study might find an effect that a small study missed.

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buffer_sheetTL3Regular30 Apr 2026#92
m.marchetti, post #36: P-values and significance: p Go to post

P-values and significance: p<0.05 means the data would be surprising if the null hypothesis were true, not that the null hypothesis is false. A non-significant p-value does not mean "no effect".

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r.ilungaTL2 Moderator1 May 2026#93

Coming back to post #91, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Relative risk and odds ratios: both compare the rate in one group to the rate in another. Relative risk is easier to understand. Odds ratios are standard in many analyses but can be misinterpreted.

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integrator_logTL3Regular3 May 2026#94

Picking up post #91: that is the part I would want checked first.

Number needed to treat: how many people need to be treated to prevent one bad outcome or achieve one good outcome. More intuitive than relative risk reduction.

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p.dialloTL2 Moderator4 May 2026#95
e.almeida, post #48: Absence of evidence and evidence of absence: if a study is small and finds no effect, that is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. A larger study might find an effect that a small study missed. Go to post

Regression to the mean: if you select people with extreme values (very high or very low), their next measurement is often less extreme just by chance. This can look like a treatment effect when it is just statistics.

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b.jankowiakTL3Regular5 May 2026#96

Confounding: a third variable explains an apparent association. In randomised data, randomisation balances confounders. In observational data, confounders can be adjusted for but unknown ones cannot.

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b.wikstromTL2 Moderator6 May 2026 · edited#97

Effect sizes: the magnitude of a difference, not just whether it is statistically significant. A difference that is significant (p<0.05) might be too small to matter. A large effect might not be significant if sample size is small.

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bench_entryTL3Regular7 May 2026#98

This follows post #95 rather than contradicting it.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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d.nilsenTL2 Moderator8 May 2026#99

On post #95 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Power and sample size: a study might be too small to detect a real effect (low power). Sample size calculations help determine how many participants are needed to detect an effect of a given magnitude.

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MJayawardenaTL3Regular9 May 2026#100
v.kirchner, post #60: post #59 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a false positive by random chance increases. That is why pre-specifying the primary hypothesis matters. Go to post

post #99 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Confidence intervals: rather than a single point estimate, a range of plausible values. A narrow interval means precise measurement; a wide interval means measurement is imprecise. Wider intervals (more uncertainty) are honest about limitation.

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an.kirchnerTL2 Moderator10 May 2026#101
gradient_review, post #35: Effect sizes: the magnitude of a difference, not just whether it is statistically significant. A difference that is significant (p Go to post

Coming back to post #99, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Relative risk and odds ratios: both compare the rate in one group to the rate in another. Relative risk is easier to understand. Odds ratios are standard in many analyses but can be misinterpreted.

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erratum_fileTL3Regular12 May 2026#102

Number needed to treat: how many people need to be treated to prevent one bad outcome or achieve one good outcome. More intuitive than relative risk reduction.

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h.jansenTL2 Moderator13 May 2026#103

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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GEldridgeTL3Regular14 May 2026#104

Confounding: a third variable explains an apparent association. In randomised data, randomisation balances confounders. In observational data, confounders can be adjusted for but unknown ones cannot.

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a.krastevTL2 Moderator15 May 2026#105
r.sobczak, post #47: P-values and significance: p Go to post

I read post #103 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a false positive by random chance increases. That is why pre-specifying the primary hypothesis matters.

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d.bramleyTL3Regular16 May 2026#106

This follows post #103 rather than contradicting it.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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