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Second pass at: Sodium, potassium and magnesium when intake drops

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LeitermanTL3Regular13 Jul 2024#1

Second pass at: Sodium, potassium and magnesium when intake drops Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did.

Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement.

Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 26 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and resistance-training sessions, both self-reported and both therefore optimistic.

The reason I am posting is a pattern in the middle of the series that I cannot explain and that I suspect is measurement rather than signal.

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n.szaboTL2 Moderator15 Jul 2024#2

the opening post answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Exercise and electrolyte losses: sweating during exercise increases sodium and potassium losses. Electrolyte replacement during or after intense exercise helps maintain balance.

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v.klausenTL3Regular16 Jul 2024#3
n.szabo, post #2: the opening post answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Exercise and electrolyte losses: sweating during exercise increases sodium and potassium losses. Electrolyte replacement during or after intense exercise helps maintain balance. Go to post

Fluid intake: baseline needs increase with gastrointestinal effects and exercise. Thirst is not a reliable guide during appetite suppression. Drinking regularly (not just when thirsty) is prudent.

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e.coelhoTL2 Moderator17 Jul 2024#4
n.szabo, post #2: the opening post answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Exercise and electrolyte losses: sweating during exercise increases sodium and potassium losses. Electrolyte replacement during or after intense exercise helps maintain balance. Go to post

Constipation and hydration: dehydration makes constipation worse. Increasing fluid intake is the first intervention for constipation alongside other measures.

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septum_checkTL1Member18 Jul 2024 · edited#5

Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together.

Potassium: similar to sodium; losing weight involves some potassium loss. Bananas, sweet potatoes, and other potassium-rich foods help. Severe depletion is rare but symptomatic (weakness, palpitations).

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d.nilsenTL2 Moderator19 Jul 2024#6

post #5 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Sodium: losing weight involves losing some sodium. Electrolyte drinks or salty foods help maintain sodium balance. Very low sodium intake on these compounds raises orthostatic symptoms risk.

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OkaforTL3Regular20 Jul 2024#7

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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f.ibarraTL2 Moderator21 Jul 2024#8
v.klausen, post #3: Fluid intake: baseline needs increase with gastrointestinal effects and exercise. Thirst is not a reliable guide during appetite suppression. Drinking regularly (not just when thirsty) is prudent. Go to post

Magnesium: deficiency during weight loss is common and symptoms (fatigue, muscle cramps) are nonspecific. Supplementation is inexpensive and low-risk if needed.

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DOdendaalTL3Regular22 Jul 2024#9

On post #5 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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ma.balogunTL2 Moderator23 Jul 2024#10

The very ordinary causes of week-two malaise: inadequate hydration, low sodium intake, too-rapid calorie deficit, and inadequate sleep are more common causes of fatigue and malaise than compound toxicity.

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TL4_HalvorsenTL4Leader · Journal club24 Jul 2024#11
Leiterman, post #1: Second pass at: Sodium, potassium and magnesium when intake drops Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement. Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 26 weeks. I have also recorded protein… Go to post

Lab testing: if symptoms are severe or persistent, checking electrolytes and minerals (sodium, potassium, magnesium, calcium) and interpreting them in context of losses during weight loss is reasonable.

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h.lindqvistTL2 Moderator25 Jul 2024#12
e.coelho, post #4: Constipation and hydration: dehydration makes constipation worse. Increasing fluid intake is the first intervention for constipation alongside other measures. Go to post

Water intoxication: drinking excessive water (more than a few liters per day for extended time) without electrolyte replacement can cause hyponatremia. This is rare but serious. Balance fluid with electrolytes.

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appeals_deskTL3Regular26 Jul 2024#13

This follows post #10 rather than contradicting it.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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a.kirchnerTL2 Moderator27 Jul 2024#14

I read post #12 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

The very ordinary causes of week-two malaise: inadequate hydration, low sodium intake, too-rapid calorie deficit, and inadequate sleep are more common causes of fatigue and malaise than compound toxicity.

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chromatogramTL4Analytical chemist27 Jul 2024#15
a.kirchner, post #14: I read post #12 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. The very ordinary causes of week-two malaise: inadequate hydration, low sodium intake, too-rapid calorie deficit, and inadequate sleep are more common causes of fatigue and malaise than compound toxicity. Go to post

post #14 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Constipation and hydration: dehydration makes constipation worse. Increasing fluid intake is the first intervention for constipation alongside other measures.

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m.adeyemiTL2 Moderator28 Jul 2024#16

Fluid intake: baseline needs increase with gastrointestinal effects and exercise. Thirst is not a reliable guide during appetite suppression. Drinking regularly (not just when thirsty) is prudent.

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retention_indexTL2Analytical chemist29 Jul 2024 · edited#17

Exercise and electrolyte losses: sweating during exercise increases sodium and potassium losses. Electrolyte replacement during or after intense exercise helps maintain balance.

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j.vogelTL230 Jul 2024#18
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fr.translation_moTL2Translator · FR31 Jul 2024#19
m.adeyemi, post #16: Fluid intake: baseline needs increase with gastrointestinal effects and exercise. Thirst is not a reliable guide during appetite suppression. Drinking regularly (not just when thirsty) is prudent. Go to post

post #18 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Sodium: losing weight involves losing some sodium. Electrolyte drinks or salty foods help maintain sodium balance. Very low sodium intake on these compounds raises orthostatic symptoms risk.

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e.nilsenTL2 Moderator31 Jul 2024#20

Worth separating two things that post #16 runs together.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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microgramsTL2Regular1 Aug 2024#21

Lab testing: if symptoms are severe or persistent, checking electrolytes and minerals (sodium, potassium, magnesium, calcium) and interpreting them in context of losses during weight loss is reasonable.

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m.radichTL2 Moderator2 Aug 2024#22

Magnesium: deficiency during weight loss is common and symptoms (fatigue, muscle cramps) are nonspecific. Supplementation is inexpensive and low-risk if needed.

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revision_historyTL3Wiki editor2 Aug 2024#23
j.vogel, post #18: Coming back to post #16, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Orthostatic symptoms: dizziness on standing after lying down can indicate dehydration or electrolyte depletion. Increasing fluids, salt, and potassium usually resolves it. Go to post

Coming back to post #21, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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a.adeyemiTL2 Moderator3 Aug 2024#24
a.kirchner, post #14: I read post #12 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. The very ordinary causes of week-two malaise: inadequate hydration, low sodium intake, too-rapid calorie deficit, and inadequate sleep are more common causes of fatigue and malaise than compound toxicity. Go to post

Picking up post #21: that is the part I would want checked first.

Potassium: similar to sodium; losing weight involves some potassium loss. Bananas, sweet potatoes, and other potassium-rich foods help. Severe depletion is rare but symptomatic (weakness, palpitations).

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sourced_claimsTL3Regular4 Aug 2024 · edited#25

Water intoxication: drinking excessive water (more than a few liters per day for extended time) without electrolyte replacement can cause hyponatremia. This is rare but serious. Balance fluid with electrolytes.

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s.grimaldiTL2 Moderator5 Aug 2024#26

post #25 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Exercise and electrolyte losses: sweating during exercise increases sodium and potassium losses. Electrolyte replacement during or after intense exercise helps maintain balance.

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h.oyelowoTL2Regular5 Aug 2024#27

I read post #25 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Water intoxication: drinking excessive water (more than a few liters per day for extended time) without electrolyte replacement can cause hyponatremia. This is rare but serious. Balance fluid with electrolytes.

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ro.zielinskiTL2 Moderator6 Aug 2024#28
fr.translation_mo, post #19: post #18 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Sodium: losing weight involves losing some sodium. Electrolyte drinks or salty foods help maintain sodium balance. Very low sodium intake on these compounds raises orthostatic symptoms risk. Go to post

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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ms_hollowayTL4Mass spectrometrist7 Aug 2024#29

On post #25 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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r.serranoTL2 Moderator7 Aug 2024#30

Sodium: losing weight involves losing some sodium. Electrolyte drinks or salty foods help maintain sodium balance. Very low sodium intake on these compounds raises orthostatic symptoms risk.

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