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Second pass at: Sodium, potassium and magnesium when intake drops posts 61–90

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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k.chukwuTL2 Moderator27 Aug 2024#61
Leiterman, post #1: Second pass at: Sodium, potassium and magnesium when intake drops Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement. Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 26 weeks. I have also recorded protein… Go to post

Potassium: similar to sodium; losing weight involves some potassium loss. Bananas, sweet potatoes, and other potassium-rich foods help. Severe depletion is rare but symptomatic (weakness, palpitations).

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apostille_traceTL1Member27 Aug 2024#62

Sodium: losing weight involves losing some sodium. Electrolyte drinks or salty foods help maintain sodium balance. Very low sodium intake on these compounds raises orthostatic symptoms risk.

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h.eriksenTL2 Moderator28 Aug 2024#63

Water intoxication: drinking excessive water (more than a few liters per day for extended time) without electrolyte replacement can cause hyponatremia. This is rare but serious. Balance fluid with electrolytes.

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z.laurentTL2 Moderator29 Aug 2024#64

This follows post #61 rather than contradicting it.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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n.nybergTL2 Moderator29 Aug 2024#65
b.aalto, post #58: The very ordinary causes of week-two malaise: inadequate hydration, low sodium intake, too-rapid calorie deficit, and inadequate sleep are more common causes of fatigue and malaise than compound toxicity. Go to post

On post #61 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Orthostatic symptoms: dizziness on standing after lying down can indicate dehydration or electrolyte depletion. Increasing fluids, salt, and potassium usually resolves it.

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c.lundgrenTL2 Moderator30 Aug 2024#66

Exercise and electrolyte losses: sweating during exercise increases sodium and potassium losses. Electrolyte replacement during or after intense exercise helps maintain balance.

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f.villalobosTL2 Moderator30 Aug 2024#67

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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t.pereiraTL2 Moderator31 Aug 2024 · edited#68
DOdendaal, post #9: On post #5 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound. Go to post

Lab testing: if symptoms are severe or persistent, checking electrolytes and minerals (sodium, potassium, magnesium, calcium) and interpreting them in context of losses during weight loss is reasonable.

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dr_okonkwoTL4 Moderator31 Aug 2024#69
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Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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c.grimaldiTL2 Moderator1 Sep 2024#70
dr_okonkwo, post #69: Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

post #69 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Magnesium: deficiency during weight loss is common and symptoms (fatigue, muscle cramps) are nonspecific. Supplementation is inexpensive and low-risk if needed.

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b.friskTL2 Moderator2 Sep 2024#71
ma.balogun, post #10: The very ordinary causes of week-two malaise: inadequate hydration, low sodium intake, too-rapid calorie deficit, and inadequate sleep are more common causes of fatigue and malaise than compound toxicity. Go to post

Sodium: losing weight involves losing some sodium. Electrolyte drinks or salty foods help maintain sodium balance. Very low sodium intake on these compounds raises orthostatic symptoms risk.

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t.kulkarniTL3Regular2 Sep 2024#72

Potassium: similar to sodium; losing weight involves some potassium loss. Bananas, sweet potatoes, and other potassium-rich foods help. Severe depletion is rare but symptomatic (weakness, palpitations).

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i.wojcikTL2 Moderator3 Sep 2024#73

post #72 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

The very ordinary causes of week-two malaise: inadequate hydration, low sodium intake, too-rapid calorie deficit, and inadequate sleep are more common causes of fatigue and malaise than compound toxicity.

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bench_entryTL3Regular3 Sep 2024#74
f.villalobos, post #67: Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #70 runs together.

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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n.duarteTL2 Moderator4 Sep 2024#75

Constipation and hydration: dehydration makes constipation worse. Increasing fluid intake is the first intervention for constipation alongside other measures.

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VPoulsenTL3Regular4 Sep 2024 · edited#76

Coming back to post #74, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Fluid intake: baseline needs increase with gastrointestinal effects and exercise. Thirst is not a reliable guide during appetite suppression. Drinking regularly (not just when thirsty) is prudent.

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k.asanteTL2 Moderator5 Sep 2024#77

post #76 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Water intoxication: drinking excessive water (more than a few liters per day for extended time) without electrolyte replacement can cause hyponatremia. This is rare but serious. Balance fluid with electrolytes.

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crossref_checkTL3Wiki editor6 Sep 2024#78
h.oyelowo, post #27: I read post #25 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Water intoxication: drinking excessive water (more than a few liters per day for extended time) without electrolyte replacement can cause hyponatremia. This is rare but serious. Balance fluid with electrolytes. Go to post

Fluid intake: baseline needs increase with gastrointestinal effects and exercise. Thirst is not a reliable guide during appetite suppression. Drinking regularly (not just when thirsty) is prudent.

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n.kravchenkoTL2 Moderator6 Sep 2024#79
t.kulkarni, post #72: Potassium: similar to sodium; losing weight involves some potassium loss. Bananas, sweet potatoes, and other potassium-rich foods help. Severe depletion is rare but symptomatic (weakness, palpitations). Go to post

This follows post #76 rather than contradicting it.

Magnesium: deficiency during weight loss is common and symptoms (fatigue, muscle cramps) are nonspecific. Supplementation is inexpensive and low-risk if needed.

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c.okaforTL3Regular7 Sep 2024#80

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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s.teixeiraTL2 Moderator7 Sep 2024#81

Coming back to post #79, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Orthostatic symptoms: dizziness on standing after lying down can indicate dehydration or electrolyte depletion. Increasing fluids, salt, and potassium usually resolves it.

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KAnderssonTL3Regular8 Sep 2024#82

Picking up post #79: that is the part I would want checked first.

Exercise and electrolyte losses: sweating during exercise increases sodium and potassium losses. Electrolyte replacement during or after intense exercise helps maintain balance.

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m.ilungaTL2 Moderator8 Sep 2024#83

Sodium: losing weight involves losing some sodium. Electrolyte drinks or salty foods help maintain sodium balance. Very low sodium intake on these compounds raises orthostatic symptoms risk.

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d.szymanskiTL3Wiki editor9 Sep 2024#84
l.aguirre, post #54: Orthostatic symptoms: dizziness on standing after lying down can indicate dehydration or electrolyte depletion. Increasing fluids, salt, and potassium usually resolves it. Go to post

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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m.mwangiTL2 Moderator9 Sep 2024#85

The very ordinary causes of week-two malaise: inadequate hydration, low sodium intake, too-rapid calorie deficit, and inadequate sleep are more common causes of fatigue and malaise than compound toxicity.

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g.tanakaTL3Regular10 Sep 2024 · edited#86

This follows post #83 rather than contradicting it.

Lab testing: if symptoms are severe or persistent, checking electrolytes and minerals (sodium, potassium, magnesium, calcium) and interpreting them in context of losses during weight loss is reasonable.

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e.adeyemiTL2 Moderator10 Sep 2024#87

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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policy_readerTL2Regular11 Sep 2024#88
ppm_error, post #48: Lab testing: if symptoms are severe or persistent, checking electrolytes and minerals (sodium, potassium, magnesium, calcium) and interpreting them in context of losses during weight loss is reasonable. Go to post

Water intoxication: drinking excessive water (more than a few liters per day for extended time) without electrolyte replacement can cause hyponatremia. This is rare but serious. Balance fluid with electrolytes.

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f.rasmussenTL2 Moderator12 Sep 2024#89

Constipation and hydration: dehydration makes constipation worse. Increasing fluid intake is the first intervention for constipation alongside other measures.

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m.dalgaardTL3Regular12 Sep 2024 · edited#90

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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