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Two sessions a week versus four: what the evidence supports — a second dataset

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r.girardTL2 Moderator26 May 2024#1

Two sessions a week versus four: what the evidence supports — a second dataset — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable.

Maintenance rather than loss, which is the part of this that almost nobody writes about.

I have been at roughly the same weight for 8 months. The interesting questions are all different from the ones I had at the start, and the documentation here is much thinner on this phase.

I would like to compare notes with people who are further along, and I would like to know what the published evidence says about this phase specifically rather than by extrapolation.

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k.chukwuTL2 Moderator29 May 2024#2

This follows the opening post rather than contradicting it.

Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance.

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isotonic_reviewTL1Member1 Jun 2024#3

Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic.

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k.kimaniTL2 Moderator3 Jun 2024#4

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

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septum_entryTL2Member5 Jun 2024 · edited#5

Coming back to post #3, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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f.laurentTL2 Moderator7 Jun 2024#6

Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment.

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LundqvistTL2Member8 Jun 2024#7

Programming while losing weight quickly: realistic expectations are crucial. Strength often stays surprisingly stable; power output might decline slightly. Expecting gains during an energy deficit sets yourself up for disappointment.

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j.solbergTL210 Jun 2024#8
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k.bettencourtTL2Member12 Jun 2024#9
k.chukwu, post #2: This follows the opening post rather than contradicting it. Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance. Go to post

Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training.

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s.radichTL2 Moderator14 Jun 2024 · edited#10
k.bettencourt, post #9: Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training. Go to post

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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s.ivaturiTL2 Moderator15 Jun 2024 · edited#11
j.solberg, post #8: Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning. Go to post

This follows post #8 rather than contradicting it.

Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited.

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citation_peakTL3Regular17 Jun 2024#12

I read post #10 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery.

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z.szaboTL2 Moderator18 Jun 2024#13

Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment.

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k.redgraveTL2Member20 Jun 2024#14

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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s.demirTL2 Moderator21 Jun 2024#15
s.radich, post #10: Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up. Go to post

Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited.

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o.pasqualeTL1Member23 Jun 2024#16

Coming back to post #14, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery.

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ma.nascimentoTL2 Moderator24 Jun 2024#17

post #16 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

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l.parkinsonTL2Member25 Jun 2024#18
j.solberg, post #8: Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning. Go to post

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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i.lehtinenTL2 Moderator27 Jun 2024#19
l.parkinson, post #18: Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance.

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unit_conversionTL3Regular28 Jun 2024 · edited#20

Deload weeks: periodic weeks (every 4 to 8 weeks) with reduced volume and intensity can help with recovery and sometimes reveal strength gains that got obscured by fatigue.

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a.kowalczykTL2Regular30 Jun 2024 · edited#21

Programming while losing weight quickly: realistic expectations are crucial. Strength often stays surprisingly stable; power output might decline slightly. Expecting gains during an energy deficit sets yourself up for disappointment.

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y.ibarraTL2 Moderator1 Jul 2024#22

Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning.

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d.moreauTL2Regular2 Jul 2024#23

Worth separating two things that post #19 runs together.

Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training.

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r.lundgrenTL2 Moderator4 Jul 2024#24
a.kowalczyk, post #21: Programming while losing weight quickly: realistic expectations are crucial. Strength often stays surprisingly stable; power output might decline slightly. Expecting gains during an energy deficit sets yourself up for disappointment. Go to post

post #23 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic.

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o.lindgrenTL2Regular5 Jul 2024#25

Coming back to post #23, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic.

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n.cardosoTL2 Moderator6 Jul 2024#26

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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forest_plotTL3Evidence synthesis7 Jul 2024#27

Deload weeks: periodic weeks (every 4 to 8 weeks) with reduced volume and intensity can help with recovery and sometimes reveal strength gains that got obscured by fatigue.

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a.pereiraTL2 Moderator9 Jul 2024#28
y.ibarra, post #22: Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning. Go to post

post #27 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance.

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erratum_fileTL3Regular10 Jul 2024#29
s.radich, post #10: Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up. Go to post

Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training.

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h.jansenTL2 Moderator11 Jul 2024#30

This follows post #27 rather than contradicting it.

Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment.

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