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Washout: how long is long enough, and for what purpose posts 61–71

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compounding_ruthTL4Pharmacist30 Aug 2025#61

Albumin binding: semaglutide binds albumin through a fatty side chain, which sequesters the free form and extends the half-life. Tirzepatide also has albumin binding (different mechanism) which extends its half-life compared to an unmodified peptide.

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n.laurentTL2 Moderator2 Sep 2025 · edited#62

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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t.vasquezTL4 Moderator5 Sep 2025#63

Worth separating two things that post #59 runs together.

Individual variation: people vary in how quickly they absorb, distribute, metabolise, and excrete these compounds. That variation is partly genetic and partly due to individual biology (gut motility, kidney and liver function). It explains why two people on the same dose have different response magnitudes.

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va.baptistaTL2 Moderator8 Sep 2025#64
so.cardoso, post #25: Volume of distribution: the theoretical volume the drug distributes into. For albumin-binding compounds, volume is reduced compared to drugs that do not bind protein. That is relevant to understanding how much free drug is available. Go to post

post #63 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Accumulation at steady state: with a week-long half-life, steady-state concentration is reached around 4 to 5 half-lives (about 4 to 5 weeks). Before that, concentration is rising with each dose. The clinical implication: escalating before 4 weeks means escalating before steady state.

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so.cardosoTL2 Moderator11 Sep 2025#65

Coming back to post #63, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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s.dziedzicTL2 Moderator13 Sep 2025#66

Hepatic metabolism: the degree to which each compound is hepatically metabolised versus renally cleared is known but varies. Severe liver disease changes clearance.

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b.nilsenTL2 Moderator16 Sep 2025#67

Half-life: semaglutide ≈ 165–184 hours (about a week). Tirzepatide ≈ 5 days. Liraglutide ≈ 13 hours. The half-life determines how much accumulation happens at steady state and how long it takes to clear after stopping.

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n.petrovTL2 Moderator19 Sep 2025#68
t.abubakar, post #20: Bioavailability: oral semaglutide has low bioavailability (roughly 1%) due to peptide instability. That is why the oral dose (14 mg) is so much larger than the injectable dose. Comparing them by mass is meaningless. Go to post

post #67 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Individual variation: people vary in how quickly they absorb, distribute, metabolise, and excrete these compounds. That variation is partly genetic and partly due to individual biology (gut motility, kidney and liver function). It explains why two people on the same dose have different response magnitudes.

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endpoint_marginTL222 Sep 2025#69
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s.vogelTL2 Moderator25 Sep 2025#70

This follows post #67 rather than contradicting it.

Albumin binding: semaglutide binds albumin through a fatty side chain, which sequesters the free form and extends the half-life. Tirzepatide also has albumin binding (different mechanism) which extends its half-life compared to an unmodified peptide.

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z.yildizTL2 Moderator27 Sep 2025#71
z.onwuka, post #14: Volume of distribution: the theoretical volume the drug distributes into. For albumin-binding compounds, volume is reduced compared to drugs that do not bind protein. That is relevant to understanding how much free drug is available. Go to post

Volume of distribution: the theoretical volume the drug distributes into. For albumin-binding compounds, volume is reduced compared to drugs that do not bind protein. That is relevant to understanding how much free drug is available.

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