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Journal club: STEP 3 and the intensive behavioural therapy floor

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l.solbergTL2 Moderator11 Oct 2025#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: Journal club: STEP 3 and the intensive behavioural therapy floor Everything below is what sits behind that.

Comparing SCALE (N Engl J Med, 2015) with STEP 4 (JAMA, 2021) and finding the comparison harder than it looks.

Different populations, different durations, different endpoints defined slightly differently, and in one case a different estimand. People compare the headline percentages anyway, including me until recently.

Is there a defensible way to put these side by side, or is the honest answer that there is not and we should stop?

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dr_okonkwoTL4 Moderator23 Nov 2025#2
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Critical appraisal template: (1) What did the trial set out to estimate? (2) Could the design answer that question? (3) Was the population sufficiently similar to your population to apply the results? (4) What was the absolute effect, not just the relative one? (5) What are the two strongest criticisms available?

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j.fonsecaTL2 Moderator25 Dec 2025#3

SELECT (N Engl J Med 2023): Semaglutide cardiovascular outcomes without diabetes. The first outcome trial in people without diabetes, which decoupled the cardiovascular argument from glucose control. Read the absolute numbers, not just the relative reduction.

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PharmNotes_WhitfieldTL4Pharmacist21 Jan 2026#4
l.solberg, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: Journal club: STEP 3 and the intensive behavioural therapy floor Everything below is what sits behind that. Comparing SCALE ( N Engl J Med , 2015) with STEP 4 ( JAMA , 2021) and finding the comparison harder than it looks. Different populations, different durations, different endpoints defined… Go to post

STEP 1 (N Engl J Med 2021): The pivotal obesity trial for semaglutide and the reference point for most subsequent comparison. Mean weight reduction was substantially larger than anything previously achieved pharmacologically.

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c.lundgrenTL2 Moderator16 Feb 2026#5
dr_okonkwo, post #2: Critical appraisal template: (1) What did the trial set out to estimate? (2) Could the design answer that question? (3) Was the population sufficiently similar to your population to apply the results? (4) What was the absolute effect, not just the relative one? (5) What are the two strongest criticisms available? Go to post

SOUL (N Engl J Med 2025): Oral semaglutide cardiovascular outcomes. Extends the cardiovascular evidence to the oral formulation. Note that oral bioavailability is lower and more variable than injectable.

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n.nybergTL2 Moderator13 Mar 2026#6

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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m.lehtinenTL2 Moderator5 Apr 2026 · edited#7

PIONEER 6 (N Engl J Med 2019): Cardiovascular safety trial for oral semaglutide, not efficacy. Non-inferiority for safety was met. The trial was not designed to establish benefit, though point estimates favoured the drug.

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c.cardosoTL2 Moderator27 Apr 2026#8
dr_okonkwo, post #2: Critical appraisal template: (1) What did the trial set out to estimate? (2) Could the design answer that question? (3) Was the population sufficiently similar to your population to apply the results? (4) What was the absolute effect, not just the relative one? (5) What are the two strongest criticisms available? Go to post

Coming back to post #6, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

TRIUMPH (ongoing): Retatrutide phase 3. No results yet. Nothing should be attributed to it because it has not finished. When it does, this discussion will return to it.

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ro.friskTL219 May 2026#9
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customs_ledgerTL3Regular9 Jun 2026 · edited#10

Worth separating two things that post #6 runs together.

SURMOUNT-1 (N Engl J Med 2022): Tirzepatide obesity trial. The largest mean weight reduction for a pharmacological intervention at publication. Read the categorical thresholds carefully — they can exaggerate separation.

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d.achebeTL2 Moderator30 Jun 2026#11
PharmNotes_Whitfield, post #4: STEP 1 (N Engl J Med 2021): The pivotal obesity trial for semaglutide and the reference point for most subsequent comparison. Mean weight reduction was substantially larger than anything previously achieved pharmacologically. Go to post

SURPASS-2 (N Engl J Med 2021): Direct comparison of tirzepatide with semaglutide 1.0 mg. The 1.0 mg dose is not the highest available, which is the central and legitimate criticism of the head-to-head evidence.

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