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s.solbergTL2 Moderator24 Dec 2024#1

Reporting a disappointing outcome, and why it belongs here Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did.

Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement.

Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 67 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and resistance-training sessions, both self-reported and both therefore optimistic.

The reason I am posting is a pattern in the middle of the series that I cannot explain and that I suspect is measurement rather than signal.

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m.onwukaTL2 Moderator13 Jan 2025#2

Plateaus and resets: if weight loss stalls and then resumes, that is ordinary. It is not evidence that the medication stopped working. It is not evidence that it is still working either. It is a data point in a longer record.

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peak_purityTL3Analytical chemist28 Jan 2025#3

Medication changes: escalating dose, or adding or removing other medications, can affect the rate of weight loss. Documenting medication changes alongside weight makes the record interpretable.

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s.dialloTL2 Moderator10 Feb 2025#4

Picking up post #3: that is the part I would want checked first.

Seasonal patterns: some people report weight loss is slower in winter than summer. Body composition and activity changes might contribute. Noting the season is useful context.

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e.verhoevenTL2 Moderator21 Feb 2025#5
s.solberg, post #1: Reporting a disappointing outcome, and why it belongs here Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement. Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 67 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and… Go to post

Longitudinal report with the method stated: same scale, same time of day, same conditions. A scale is a tool; use the same one each time. Consistency matters more than accuracy at capturing absolute weight.

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l.solbergTL2 Moderator5 Mar 2025#6
e.verhoeven, post #5: Longitudinal report with the method stated: same scale, same time of day, same conditions. A scale is a tool; use the same one each time. Consistency matters more than accuracy at capturing absolute weight. Go to post

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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mira.patelTL4 Admin15 Mar 2025 · edited#7
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I read post #5 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Measurement noise: day-to-day body mass varies by more than a kilogram on hydration, glycogen, and gut contents alone. A weekly reading is a single noisy sample of a distribution. A seven-day rolling mean of daily readings has much lower noise.

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g.rasmussenTL2 Moderator26 Mar 2025#8

This follows post #5 rather than contradicting it.

Protein intake and resistance training: both self-reported and therefore optimistic in most reports. Recording them anyway creates a record you can look back on.

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m.ekstromTL2 Moderator5 Apr 2025#9

Menstrual cycle: for people who menstruate, weight can shift by several pounds across the cycle due to fluid retention and other factors. Noting cycle phase when weighing reduces apparent noise.

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m.eriksenTL2 Moderator15 Apr 2025#10

Rate of change: reporting progress as "lost 5 kg in 12 weeks" is more useful than "currently at 82 kg" because the rate tells you whether the change is steady, accelerating, or stalling.

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a.coelhoTL224 Apr 2025#11
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cohort_watchTL2Member3 May 2025#12

Worth separating two things that post #8 runs together.

Non-scale victories: muscle gain or maintenance, clothing fit, energy level, and capability (like climbing stairs without breathlessness) are measurements that scale-based weight misses.

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f.laurentTL2 Moderator12 May 2025#13
g.rasmussen, post #8: This follows post #5 rather than contradicting it. Protein intake and resistance training: both self-reported and therefore optimistic in most reports. Recording them anyway creates a record you can look back on. Go to post

Exercise volume changes: increasing exercise intensity or duration can mask weight loss (muscle gain) on the scale. Noting exercise changes when reporting weight helps interpret results.

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septum_entryTL2Member21 May 2025#14
a.coelho, post #11: I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological. The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient. Go to post

Longitudinal report with the method stated: same scale, same time of day, same conditions. A scale is a tool; use the same one each time. Consistency matters more than accuracy at capturing absolute weight.

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ew.kuuselaTL2 Moderator30 May 2025#15

Plateaus and resets: if weight loss stalls and then resumes, that is ordinary. It is not evidence that the medication stopped working. It is not evidence that it is still working either. It is a data point in a longer record.

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baseline_tableTL2Member8 Jun 2025#16

Exercise volume changes: increasing exercise intensity or duration can mask weight loss (muscle gain) on the scale. Noting exercise changes when reporting weight helps interpret results.

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t.brandtTL2 Moderator16 Jun 2025#17
g.rasmussen, post #8: This follows post #5 rather than contradicting it. Protein intake and resistance training: both self-reported and therefore optimistic in most reports. Recording them anyway creates a record you can look back on. Go to post

Picking up post #14: that is the part I would want checked first.

Rate of change: reporting progress as "lost 5 kg in 12 weeks" is more useful than "currently at 82 kg" because the rate tells you whether the change is steady, accelerating, or stalling.

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k.bettencourtTL2Member25 Jun 2025#18

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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h.eriksenTL2 Moderator3 Jul 2025#19

Non-scale victories: muscle gain or maintenance, clothing fit, energy level, and capability (like climbing stairs without breathlessness) are measurements that scale-based weight misses.

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an.ibarraTL2 Moderator11 Jul 2025#20
s.diallo, post #4: Picking up post #3: that is the part I would want checked first. Seasonal patterns: some people report weight loss is slower in winter than summer. Body composition and activity changes might contribute. Noting the season is useful context. Go to post

Seasonal patterns: some people report weight loss is slower in winter than summer. Body composition and activity changes might contribute. Noting the season is useful context.

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c.boatengTL2 Moderator20 Jul 2025#21

On post #17 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Protein intake and resistance training: both self-reported and therefore optimistic in most reports. Recording them anyway creates a record you can look back on.

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mira.patelTL4 Admin28 Jul 2025#22

Menstrual cycle: for people who menstruate, weight can shift by several pounds across the cycle due to fluid retention and other factors. Noting cycle phase when weighing reduces apparent noise.

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s.dialloTL2 Moderator5 Aug 2025#23
l.solberg, post #6: Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up. Go to post

Medication changes: escalating dose, or adding or removing other medications, can affect the rate of weight loss. Documenting medication changes alongside weight makes the record interpretable.

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owen.bradyTL4 Moderator12 Aug 2025#24
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Measurement noise: day-to-day body mass varies by more than a kilogram on hydration, glycogen, and gut contents alone. A weekly reading is a single noisy sample of a distribution. A seven-day rolling mean of daily readings has much lower noise.

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l.solbergTL2 Moderator20 Aug 2025#25

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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p.marchettiTL2 Moderator28 Aug 2025 · edited#26

Rate of change: reporting progress as "lost 5 kg in 12 weeks" is more useful than "currently at 82 kg" because the rate tells you whether the change is steady, accelerating, or stalling.

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r.laurentTL2 Moderator5 Sep 2025#27
m.eriksen, post #10: Rate of change: reporting progress as "lost 5 kg in 12 weeks" is more useful than "currently at 82 kg" because the rate tells you whether the change is steady, accelerating, or stalling. Go to post

Measurement noise: day-to-day body mass varies by more than a kilogram on hydration, glycogen, and gut contents alone. A weekly reading is a single noisy sample of a distribution. A seven-day rolling mean of daily readings has much lower noise.

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e.verhoevenTL2 Moderator12 Sep 2025#28
s.diallo, post #4: Picking up post #3: that is the part I would want checked first. Seasonal patterns: some people report weight loss is slower in winter than summer. Body composition and activity changes might contribute. Noting the season is useful context. Go to post

This follows post #25 rather than contradicting it.

Protein intake and resistance training: both self-reported and therefore optimistic in most reports. Recording them anyway creates a record you can look back on.

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l.oseiTL2 Moderator20 Sep 2025#29

Medication changes: escalating dose, or adding or removing other medications, can affect the rate of weight loss. Documenting medication changes alongside weight makes the record interpretable.

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m.restrepoTL2 Moderator27 Sep 2025#30
s.diallo, post #23: Medication changes: escalating dose, or adding or removing other medications, can affect the rate of weight loss. Documenting medication changes alongside weight makes the record interpretable. Go to post

post #29 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Seasonal patterns: some people report weight loss is slower in winter than summer. Body composition and activity changes might contribute. Noting the season is useful context.

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