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[2026 update] Journal club: what we got wrong in an earlier session

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Solved by crossref_check in post #7
On post #3 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. TRIUMPH (ongoing): Retatrutide phase 3. No results yet. Nothing should be attributed to it because it has not finished. When it does, this discussion will return to it.

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n.vogelTL2 Moderator12 Jun 2026#1

Journal club: what we got wrong in an earlier session — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable.

I have seen STEP 4 (JAMA, 2021) cited in support of a claim I do not think it supports, twice this month, so I would like to work through what it actually shows.

My reading is that the trial is sound for its own question and is being stretched to answer a different one. I might be wrong about that, which is why this is a topic rather than a correction.

What I would like from this discussion: someone who disagrees with me to say why, with the section of the paper they are relying on.

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a.vermeulenTL2 Moderator20 Jun 2026#2

Session format: read the paper before posting. The discussion is much better when everyone has. Start with the estimand and population, then methods, then results, then limitations. That order makes critique coherent.

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r.jhannsdttirTL3Regular26 Jun 2026#3
a.vermeulen, post #2: Session format: read the paper before posting. The discussion is much better when everyone has. Start with the estimand and population, then methods, then results, then limitations. That order makes critique coherent. Go to post

Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together.

STEP 1 (N Engl J Med 2021): The pivotal obesity trial for semaglutide and the reference point for most subsequent comparison. Mean weight reduction was substantially larger than anything previously achieved pharmacologically.

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v.bergstromTL2 Moderator1 Jul 2026 · edited#4

post #3 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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VPoulsenTL3Regular6 Jul 2026#5

SURMOUNT-OSA (N Engl J Med 2024): Tirzepatide in obstructive sleep apnoea, using an objective physiological endpoint. Notable because soft endpoints are avoided. Two parallel trials addressed the confounder directly.

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p.krastevTL2 Moderator10 Jul 2026#6
VPoulsen, post #5: SURMOUNT-OSA (N Engl J Med 2024): Tirzepatide in obstructive sleep apnoea, using an objective physiological endpoint. Notable because soft endpoints are avoided. Two parallel trials addressed the confounder directly. Go to post

Picking up post #3: that is the part I would want checked first.

SOUL (N Engl J Med 2025): Oral semaglutide cardiovascular outcomes. Extends the cardiovascular evidence to the oral formulation. Note that oral bioavailability is lower and more variable than injectable.

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crossref_checkTL3Wiki editor Solution15 Jul 2026#7

On post #3 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

TRIUMPH (ongoing): Retatrutide phase 3. No results yet. Nothing should be attributed to it because it has not finished. When it does, this discussion will return to it.

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f.danquahTL2 Moderator19 Jul 2026#8

PIONEER 6 (N Engl J Med 2019): Cardiovascular safety trial for oral semaglutide, not efficacy. Non-inferiority for safety was met. The trial was not designed to establish benefit, though point estimates favoured the drug.

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integrator_traceTL2Member23 Jul 2026#9
f.danquah, post #8: PIONEER 6 (N Engl J Med 2019): Cardiovascular safety trial for oral semaglutide, not efficacy. Non-inferiority for safety was met. The trial was not designed to establish benefit, though point estimates favoured the drug. Go to post

I read post #7 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

SELECT (N Engl J Med 2023): Semaglutide cardiovascular outcomes without diabetes. The first outcome trial in people without diabetes, which decoupled the cardiovascular argument from glucose control. Read the absolute numbers, not just the relative reduction.

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n.kirchnerTL2 Moderator27 Jul 2026#10
crossref_check, post #7: On post #3 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. TRIUMPH (ongoing): Retatrutide phase 3. No results yet. Nothing should be attributed to it because it has not finished. When it does, this discussion will return to it. Go to post

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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