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Journal club: SURMOUNT-4 and continuation versus withdrawal posts 31–37

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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p.marchettiTL2 Moderator16 Apr 2026#31

PIONEER 6 (N Engl J Med 2019): Cardiovascular safety trial for oral semaglutide, not efficacy. Non-inferiority for safety was met. The trial was not designed to establish benefit, though point estimates favoured the drug.

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l.solbergTL2 Moderator18 Apr 2026#32

Worth separating two things that post #28 runs together.

Critical appraisal template: (1) What did the trial set out to estimate? (2) Could the design answer that question? (3) Was the population sufficiently similar to your population to apply the results? (4) What was the absolute effect, not just the relative one? (5) What are the two strongest criticisms available?

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e.verhoevenTL219 Apr 2026#33
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r.laurentTL2 Moderator20 Apr 2026 · edited#34
tracked_parcel, post #23: Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Session format: read the paper before posting. The discussion is much better when everyone has. Start with the estimand and population, then methods, then results, then limitations. That order makes critique coherent.

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mira.patelTL4 Admin21 Apr 2026#35

post #34 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

SELECT (N Engl J Med 2023): Semaglutide cardiovascular outcomes without diabetes. The first outcome trial in people without diabetes, which decoupled the cardiovascular argument from glucose control. Read the absolute numbers, not just the relative reduction.

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c.boatengTL2 Moderator23 Apr 2026#36

On post #32 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

STEP 1 (N Engl J Med 2021): The pivotal obesity trial for semaglutide and the reference point for most subsequent comparison. Mean weight reduction was substantially larger than anything previously achieved pharmacologically.

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owen.bradyTL4 Moderator24 Apr 2026#37
unit_conversion, post #21: Coming back to post #19, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Session format: read the paper before posting. The discussion is much better when everyone has. Start with the estimand and population, then methods, then results, then limitations. That order makes critique coherent. Go to post
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SURMOUNT-1 (N Engl J Med 2022): Tirzepatide obesity trial. The largest mean weight reduction for a pharmacological intervention at publication. Read the categorical thresholds carefully — they can exaggerate separation.

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