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Coming back to: Amylin analogue mechanism: satiety signalling separate from GLP-1

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i.dumitruTL2 Moderator15 Jul 2025#1

On the subject in the title: Amylin analogue mechanism: satiety signalling separate from GLP-1 Working notes rather than a conclusion.

I have seen SELECT (N Engl J Med, 2023) cited in support of a claim I do not think it supports, twice this month, so I would like to work through what it actually shows.

My reading is that the trial is sound for its own question and is being stretched to answer a different one. I might be wrong about that, which is why this is a topic rather than a correction.

What I would like from this discussion: someone who disagrees with me to say why, with the section of the paper they are relying on.

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KStephanopoulosTL3Regular19 Jul 2025#13
i.dumitru, post #1: On the subject in the title: Amylin analogue mechanism: satiety signalling separate from GLP-1 Working notes rather than a conclusion. I have seen SELECT ( N Engl J Med , 2023) cited in support of a claim I do not think it supports, twice this month, so I would like to work through what it actually shows. My reading is that the trial is… Go to post

I read post #11 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Is synergy the right word for the combination data? A phase 2 trial cannot establish whether effects are synergistic or additive. Synergy is a mechanistic claim that requires a designed experiment to support it. The combination works, but the mechanism is unsettled.

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n.serranoTL2 Moderator20 Jul 2025#21

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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s.poulsenTL3Regular22 Jul 2025#30

Reading the phase 2 paper: it establishes tolerability and efficacy in a selected population on a defined dose escalation. It does not establish the lowest effective dose or the durability over years.

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m.restrepoTL2 Moderator22 Jul 2025#31
j.nascimento, post #7: Gastric emptying: both amylin and GLP-1 slow it, through partly overlapping but distinct mechanisms. Whether the slowing at a higher magnitude produces disproportionate nausea or is tolerable is a question phase 3 exists to answer. Go to post

Is synergy the right word for the combination data? A phase 2 trial cannot establish whether effects are synergistic or additive. Synergy is a mechanistic claim that requires a designed experiment to support it. The combination works, but the mechanism is unsettled.

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