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Reporting a discrepancy without making an allegation posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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buffer_marginTL3Regular17 Aug 2024#31

Dosing and purity: a vial that is 99% pure might contain 80% of its label claim if the other mass is water, counter-ion, and excipient. Purity and content are different. Both matter for different reasons.

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a.hartmannTL2 Moderator18 Aug 2024 · edited#32
a.pereira, post #3: post #2 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Structured report format: compound, lot, independent testing service, method as reported, result, and the certificate figure for the same lot. One lot is one lot. It becomes a pattern at three or four, and it becomes a disputed record when asked and not… Go to post

Picking up post #29: that is the part I would want checked first.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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excursion_checkTL3Regular19 Aug 2024#33

Pattern across lots: a single result is a data point. Three or four results from the same supplier showing a consistent pattern becomes a record worth discussing. Two results that disagree might just be measurement variation.

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s.vanheckeTL2 Moderator19 Aug 2024#34

Temporal patterns: if results from a supplier were good two years ago but have deteriorated recently, that is information. If they have been consistent over years, that is also information.

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taper_tableTL3Regular20 Aug 2024#35

I read post #33 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Structured report format: compound, lot, independent testing service, method as reported, result, and the certificate figure for the same lot. One lot is one lot. It becomes a pattern at three or four, and it becomes a disputed record when asked and not explained.

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t.verhoevenTL2 Moderator21 Aug 2024#36
c.ostergaard, post #7: post #6 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Multiple services on one lot: agreement across two independent laboratories is stronger than a high number from one. Our vendor pages deliberately mix services for that reason. Go to post

This follows post #33 rather than contradicting it.

Blind submission is worth the effort: have someone else relabel the sample so neither you nor the laboratory knows which supplier it came from until the result is back. Blind results change minds; self-selected results do not.

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l.chevalierTL3Regular22 Aug 2024#37

Lot matching: confirm the lot number on the certificate matches the lot number on the vial. A result from a different lot is not evidence about your vial.

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e.mensaTL2 Moderator22 Aug 2024#38

Testing service selection: Janoshik gives purity with chromatogram. Medutest gives combined purity and identity. PeptideMeter gives verification records as well as results. VendorInvestigate reviews documentation. They answer different questions.

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s.dziedzicTL2 Moderator23 Aug 2024#39

Multiple services on one lot: agreement across two independent laboratories is stronger than a high number from one. Our vendor pages deliberately mix services for that reason.

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b.nilsenTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#40

Temporal patterns: if results from a supplier were good two years ago but have deteriorated recently, that is information. If they have been consistent over years, that is also information.

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v.bergstromTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#41
m.nwosu, post #30: Worth separating two things that post #26 runs together. What "verified" means on our pages: specific lots were independently measured on stated dates by named services and results were consistent with the supplier's documentation. It is not a recommendation and does not extend to untested lots. Go to post

This follows post #38 rather than contradicting it.

Testing service selection: Janoshik gives purity with chromatogram. Medutest gives combined purity and identity. PeptideMeter gives verification records as well as results. VendorInvestigate reviews documentation. They answer different questions.

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r.jhannsdttirTL3Regular25 Aug 2024#42

Lot matching: confirm the lot number on the certificate matches the lot number on the vial. A result from a different lot is not evidence about your vial.

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p.krastevTL2 Moderator26 Aug 2024#43

Date the report: when the analysis was done matters. Material can degrade in storage. A report from two years ago is still useful but is not evidence about the current state of the same supplier's stock.

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VPoulsenTL3Regular26 Aug 2024#44

Multiple services on one lot: agreement across two independent laboratories is stronger than a high number from one. Our vendor pages deliberately mix services for that reason.

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f.danquahTL2 Moderator27 Aug 2024#45

Picking up post #42: that is the part I would want checked first.

Structured report format: compound, lot, independent testing service, method as reported, result, and the certificate figure for the same lot. One lot is one lot. It becomes a pattern at three or four, and it becomes a disputed record when asked and not explained.

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crossref_checkTL3Wiki editor28 Aug 2024#46

Coming back to post #44, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Pattern across lots: a single result is a data point. Three or four results from the same supplier showing a consistent pattern becomes a record worth discussing. Two results that disagree might just be measurement variation.

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s.girardTL2 Moderator28 Aug 2024#47

Blind submission is worth the effort: have someone else relabel the sample so neither you nor the laboratory knows which supplier it came from until the result is back. Blind results change minds; self-selected results do not.

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c.okaforTL329 Aug 2024#48
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a.ilungaTL2 Moderator30 Aug 2024#49

What "verified" means on our pages: specific lots were independently measured on stated dates by named services and results were consistent with the supplier's documentation. It is not a recommendation and does not extend to untested lots.

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logbook_erinTL3Regular30 Aug 2024#50

I read post #48 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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l.salinasTL2 Moderator31 Aug 2024#51

Disputed records: when a result disagreed and was not explained, the record says disputed and stays that way. We do not remove inconvenient history; we document it.

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a.reyesTL4 Admin1 Sep 2024#52
t.verhoeven, post #36: This follows post #33 rather than contradicting it. Blind submission is worth the effort: have someone else relabel the sample so neither you nor the laboratory knows which supplier it came from until the result is back. Blind results change minds; self-selected results do not. Go to post

post #51 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Dosing and purity: a vial that is 99% pure might contain 80% of its label claim if the other mass is water, counter-ion, and excipient. Purity and content are different. Both matter for different reasons.

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n.silvaTL2 Moderator1 Sep 2024#53
unit_conversion, post #20: post #19 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. What "verified" means on our pages: specific lots were independently measured on stated dates by named services and results were consistent with the supplier's documentation. It is not a recommendation and does not extend to untested lots. Go to post

I read post #51 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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s.leclercTL4 Moderator2 Sep 2024#54
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Blind submission is worth the effort: have someone else relabel the sample so neither you nor the laboratory knows which supplier it came from until the result is back. Blind results change minds; self-selected results do not.

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e.iyerTL2 Moderator3 Sep 2024 · edited#55

On post #51 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

What "verified" means on our pages: specific lots were independently measured on stated dates by named services and results were consistent with the supplier's documentation. It is not a recommendation and does not extend to untested lots.

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ms_hollowayTL4Mass spectrometrist3 Sep 2024#56

post #55 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Disputed records: when a result disagreed and was not explained, the record says disputed and stays that way. We do not remove inconvenient history; we document it.

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ch.correiaTL2 Moderator4 Sep 2024#57
methods_margin, post #27: Picking up post #24: that is the part I would want checked first. Structured report format: compound, lot, independent testing service, method as reported, result, and the certificate figure for the same lot. One lot is one lot. It becomes a pattern at three or four, and it becomes a disputed record when asked and not explained. Go to post

Multiple services on one lot: agreement across two independent laboratories is stronger than a high number from one. Our vendor pages deliberately mix services for that reason.

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dr.villanuevaTL3Physician5 Sep 2024#58

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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r.bruunTL2 Moderator5 Sep 2024#59

Worth separating two things that post #55 runs together.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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sourced_claimsTL3Regular6 Sep 2024#60

Dosing and purity: a vial that is 99% pure might contain 80% of its label claim if the other mass is water, counter-ion, and excipient. Purity and content are different. Both matter for different reasons.

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